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Air Forces has announced that applying

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disc has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right welcome everybody

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Fade to Black and uh waiting for Richard

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and uh this is just uh uh too funny uh

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what's going on uh between uh the two of

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us right now

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um uh he'll be here in just a second if

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this is Fade to Black I am your host

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Jimmy Church

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tonight well it's Wednesday April 26

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2023 our guest tonight is Richard Dolan

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Richard and I tonight are going to be uh

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discussing the Senate Arrow slash UFO

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hearing uh that uh took place uh just

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about a week ago

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and uh this week I'm pretty much

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discussing it every night on the show

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and I brought in uh the best of the best

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this week to do just that we had a great

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show last night with with John Ramirez

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and uh very very insightful and

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informative as well and

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um Richard

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uh as I'm I'm waiting he just said dude

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I'm here where are you and so I don't

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see him so anyway uh I'm he's going I

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just resent him everything

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and uh and I'm just waiting for him to

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pop in Richard

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um the day after the hearing

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okay ah there he is

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there's Mr Dolan now now I guess I have

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to do an intro now uh instead of uh uh

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he's now listening you know stretching

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it stretching it uh Richard of course is

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one of the leading researchers and

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writers on the subject of UFOs and he

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broadcast so much amazing content live

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every single week over at

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richarddolanmembers.com and I encourage

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everybody to head over to Richard Dolan

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members uh the links are below I've got

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them over on my website I've got them

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throughout social media without a long

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intro we've got a lot a lot of stuff to

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discuss tonight so let's just get

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straight to it and say welcome Richard

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bleep and Dolan how you doing brother

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hello Jimmy thank you for having me on

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we had a little bit of a link issue

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there I'm sure the issue is all minor

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um yeah I'll I'll just tell everybody

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uh Richard and I used to uh we did this

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years Richard would go screw the sound

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check dude I'm coming in one minute

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before the show and I'm a professional

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and I'll be ready to go and I was like

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okay deal with it yeah deal with it and

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so we we did that for years and uh

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Richard was the only guest uh I would do

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that with a it's called trust but B yeah

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he's a professional he's ready to go and

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um and then there's tonight

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there you go there hey

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um Richard there's so much to discuss

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tonight but if I could uh I want to say

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hello to all of your uh your your

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dolanites is that right I guess so yeah

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then well I I see them in the chat so

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welcome that's what I'm talking about

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yeah all of you dolanites

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um and so for them

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uh Richard Knight normally chat uh uh

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and talk uh before the show we didn't do

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that today we did that via email I

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thought you didn't like me anymore yeah

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I'm not really concerned you know I when

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I sent you that email last week don't

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worry Richard we're still friends

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um but anyway it in this

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everything and that's a lot of fun to

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have discussions like that tonight's

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show Richard I'm kind of I'm kind of

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firmly on your side of the fence on

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tonight's discussion so so uh I I think

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what we need to do is tonight I I gotta

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play I gotta play the role of Devil's

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Advocate uh along the way here so we can

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heat up the room a little bit all right

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are you cool with the little spirited uh

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jousting okay fine even if you'd truly

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disagreed with me I don't care well this

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the day the hearing uh Christina Gomez

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streamed it and and commented ate

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popcorn at seven o'clock in the morning

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so the next day when you did your stream

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uh which I watched immediately I was

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live during the hearing and it's it's

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just like mirrored uh your view of the

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hearing and so but this is the thing

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although I don't like to agree with

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everybody on everything but what it did

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do to me Richard was let me know that we

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all kind of saw the same thing and that

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made me feel a little bit better that

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was like reading this the wrong way was

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I you know am I feeling kind of weird

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um and then uh and then that's it uh

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um I did send you an email today and I

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brought up nycap

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and did you see the email oh yeah yeah

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and there's there's a weird so I'll tie

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in a way it's like history it

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you know they say history hasn't uh

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repeat but it Rhymes but it's it's kind

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of repeating and rhyming there's a lot

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that has happened before that I I do I

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think we see happening again yeah yeah I

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feel night capish okay so we'll we'll

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swing back around to that but I want to

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have you do you have have you figured

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out Sean Kirkpatrick do you got do you

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have him dialed in yet do you what's

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your take well you know I like you I

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just the only thing that I've seen of

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him is the one hour of the hearing that

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he gave before the members of the Senate

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and he's obviously a very he's an

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intelligent man

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that he he seems to be going out of his

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absolutely boring presentation during

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almost thought he was intentionally

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trying to just put people to sleep

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but uh no I mean you just I mean first

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of all that wasn't a dead empty room I

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bigger thing

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envisioned and I'll get to him but

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because it was so embarrassingly empty

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just focusing on him or Angela brand or

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he's either he's either really clueless

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or he's just he's playing the political

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game and he is he knows like we're at a

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point in in DC politics where I don't

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are we at that point where just no we

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don't expect truth from the people in DC

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at least I don't and they never seem to

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disappoint

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so he's saying things like we've had no

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evidence that any of these objects are

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extraterrestrial or beyond the current

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really interesting and said no no we

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seemed like the same game that we heard

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a year ago with Scott Bray and Ronald

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Moultrie where they're saying

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the only problem is just a lack of data

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if we had more data we could identify

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all of these they went out of their way

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also to state that this was the whole

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UFO UAP phenomenon was simply

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explainable in conventional terms if we

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just had enough data it's almost the

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exact same same thing that the Air Force

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that's what Kirkpatrick here was

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going after the one thing that I found

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really more disturbing about this

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hearing than any of the others

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Chinese Russian angle of UFOs UAP in a

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way that even in the 1950s you didn't

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get any anything like public statements

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along these lines where people thought

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the Russians were actually flying these

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objects over American airspace there

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private classified conversations that

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wondered you know were the Soviets were

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the Russians doing this

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but uh there's really even then no firm

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conclusion that they were doing it

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because it was incredible but now here

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we are in 2023 and you could see like

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they really wanted all the easy wayp to

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be Chinese balloons or Chinese Russian

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spy satellites or spy drones or what

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and I just found that very disturbing on

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many levels but as far as with

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Kirkpatrick uh the only thing I can just

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really say is gauge my response on what

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he did in the hearing what he has said

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I'm not deeply familiar with the rest of

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his career I don't know I mean I know

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he's a lifelong DOD guy

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but as far as what he said

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he he talked a lot of jargon a lot of

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scientific bureaucraties like we're

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working with our partners to

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like NASA and we're doing this and that

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you know he said all of the the

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bureaucratic things that you'd expect

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but that just struck me as a lot of wind

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and in terms of actual

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anything substantive to say on UFOs or

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UAP I I just wasn't feeling it I wasn't

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getting anything so I was just left

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feeling very empty at the end of it yeah

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it and there was uh and we can certainly

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uh that's an easy view to achieve right

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there because I think we all came away

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uh kind of feeling that way but there

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was an awful lot there to unpack if you

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just start to take things in an

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individual sense and one of the one of

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the things that stuck out for me about

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Kirkpatrick because he did this out of

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the gate

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is that

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um and I don't know why Jilla brand uh

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dropped the ball on this but it was just

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last month when himself an Avi lobe come

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out with this article that goes

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completely viral picked up on all of the

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the media Outlets that you know alien

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Mothership are are dropping off probes

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in our solar system right and you get

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like Sean Kirkpatrick what Arrow yeah

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but did they really say that did he

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really say that but my point is

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his name and avi's were uh were the

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bylines there and the way that the media

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picked it doesn't matter about the

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article itself it's the headline that

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the media flashes around the world alien

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mother ships in our solar system and and

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to that clickbait yeah exactly and yeah

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is that was that you or me yeah sorry

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that was me hitting my microphone sorry

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that was an interesting tone and it's

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really unprofessional it is highly

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unprofessional and the point about that

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though is I I read the article okay and

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they they have the the thing is is

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Kirkpatrick is data driven he has stated

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his case we we know that Avi lobe he's a

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physicist he's data driven they're gonna

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come up with ideas Based on data all

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right that's their job so what in spot

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what do they see in the data that will

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turn around and have them author a paper

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like this so I thought oh okay

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Kirkpatrick's got an open mind that's

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all just an open mind I haven't read

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their paper have you read it because I

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actually have oh yes I've read it a

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couple of times it's pretty amazing

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you're ahead of me there uh but but

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he shows up at the hearing and that

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wasn't the guy that authored the paper

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and if you are Sean Kirkpatrick and you

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go you remember when he waved his arms

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all the data says right all the data

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says no E.T

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right okay that's gillibrand's opening

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well didn't you just write this thing

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with Javi Loeb uh what's the what's

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what's going on here why did you write

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that article and now you're saying uh

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absolutely not here today and that I was

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very surprised about Richard it was a

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gift given to uh gillibrand and

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everybody just let that go

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well I I have to say I dropped the ball

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because I had not read his paper so you

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have read it is it a sincere paper did

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he actually make this argument yeah that

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UFOs are are alien drones essentially

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yeah without you know pulling up the

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paper and and and and doing direct

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quotes from it but I'll paraphrase with

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this

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um the overarching idea here is that how

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could the probes uh enter our atmosphere

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um here in the solar system and one of

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the ways to do that would be to have a

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large Mothership full of these drones

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and you're Distributing these out to the

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planets that's very hypothetical it does

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and the way that they're putting it

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might be very hypothetical and but it's

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all data driven you don't hypothesize

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without data in no no you can share

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hypothesize I mean I I haven't I'm at a

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disadvantage here because I haven't read

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the paper but I could easily see him and

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Avi Loeb

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saying well it would be possible for an

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alien Mothership to send off drones

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maybe that's what they're doing but are

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they really saying were they really

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saying that Based on data in the paper

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I'm going to guess no

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no okay this is this is my point and

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this is see now this is where we Spar I

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love this this is great it is this we

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didn't even have to bring up Lazar

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tonight to do this so that's always a

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good thing is that Avi is in today's

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funding environment right you're not

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going to freak people out and if you're

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going you're just not going to do like

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this guy's unhinged so if you're going

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to put in the same thing with Sean

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Kirkpatrick being the director of Arrow

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you're not going to appear unhinged so

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if you're going to write something like

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this it's I'm just suggesting it's based

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on something I don't know what that

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something is but you're not going to go

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willy-nilly here and I don't think that

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they were just you know Gene Roddenberry

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uh an article to put out there I I just

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don't see that happening I think it was

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bad well all right so again and I'm I

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I've got to be careful how far I go

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because I have not read the paper but

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I'm going to take a guess that the the

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headline totally Twisted out of context

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probably what they were saying and I'm

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going to take a guess at what they were

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saying was some kind of crazy

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hypothetical about alien drones because

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there's no way that Kirkpatrick

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the guy is a DOD employee he's running

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Arrow we heard him and the hearings he

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just basically was through a cold wet

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blanket over UFOs UAP I cannot imagine

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that he was actually seriously saying oh

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yeah so I think that an alien mothership

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is sending drones here I seriously doubt

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that so but that's as far as I could go

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without having read the paper and that's

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fair that's fair I'm just saying that if

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I'm gillibrand that's the first thing

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out of my mouth it's like wait are you

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I'm gonna have to now you're giving me

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more homework assignments which I really

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dislike because I will I will read the

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paper I apologize uh for that in advance

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um do you feel that

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um uh there was

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there the choice of videos that were

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shown

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and the comments by Kirkpatrick

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were you used the word through through

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water on it um it it definitely put a

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little bit of kabash on some of the

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other things that other efforts out

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there by you know say melon or Elizondo

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and maybe even uh Jill brand herself uh

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by by absolutely saying

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ET is off the table here when there's

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all these very vocal efforts that are

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going on that there is something in in

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the skies that is not of human origin

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and for Kirkpatrick to take that view so

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strongly uh when he's trying to keep

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Arrow funded it was like a strange

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approach to me do you feel like I don't

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think it's strange at all I don't think

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it's strange I think I look I think we

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have got to get over the fact that the

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Pentagon chest institutionally I'm not

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talking about individuals who work

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within the military structure there's a

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lot of good people there but the

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Pentagon has a bureaucracy just cannot

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help but lie at this point we don't have

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an honest system I was going to say

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corrupted but I I think uh captured is a

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better word to describe these

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institutions now they don't I don't

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believe they work for us I do not

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believe the Pentagon is ever going to be

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in a position where it can truly be

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honest about the reality of the UFO

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phenomenon they cannot and I think this

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is what we are saying Kirkpatrick is a

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company man he's working for the

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Pentagon that's his job and I just I

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have never expected an honest good faith

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effort coming from them and they

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unfortunately are justifying

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my position

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I just don't think that they can do it

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how can they

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how can how can the Pentagon honestly

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come out and say to the world

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oh yes this does appear to be real after

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all that just opens up a can of worms

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that they're not going to be able to

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deal with so I've never expected honesty

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from them and as far as gillibrand goes

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she can play whatever game she wants in

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terms of public Persona oh yes I'm

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trying to get transparency out of the

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government yeah you know keep talking

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that game but I I believe it when I see

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it

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I think there's a lot of window dressing

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going on here in a lot of theater

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and that that's what this strikes me as

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this strikes me as theater

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this is a serious public effort do you

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think quadcopters are the new weather

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balloons

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oh God he said that he actually he said

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uh even if even if these are quadcopters

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that's still important like you could

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just see these rhetorical devices that

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he used several times to kind of move

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UFOs into quadcopters or balloons

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Chinese balloons and all of that stuff

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and that's what UFOs or UAP have become

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conflated with and I I see that as kind

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of dishonest I mean

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the kind of dishonest I think I see it

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as dishonest

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I'm looking at UFO reports all the time

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and many of them are military reports

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and most of them that I'm looking at are

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21st century you know I'm not I'm done

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looking at a lot of the 20th century

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material I'm looking all at contemporary

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sightings and they're not foia released

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okay I'll grant you that but they are

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well attested witness accounts of you

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know objects over military bases or

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attempted interceptions and all of it

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it's still going on this is a Non-Stop

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issue as far as I could see and for him

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to say

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well maybe there'll be you know if

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they're quadcopters will have that's

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still interesting I'm like

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okay call BS on this I just don't think

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it's an honest attempt and you know when

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uh when the whole UFO conversation

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changed at the end of 2017

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the ttsa group out there and they're

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talking about these UAP which are real

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and Elizondo and Kristen ramellen we're

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saying that this is real which was very

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important at that time for them to say

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that there were lots of people saying

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look you're just working for the CIA and

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the whole thing you heard a lot of folks

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saying this is going to be a false flag

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Alien Invasion scenario

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and

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you could talk about whatever

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motivations you want about the ttsa

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people in fact we discussed that if you

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want but one thing I've never ever

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believed is that there was going to be

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this false flag Alien Invasion scenario

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I just never ever saw it and a lot of

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people criticized me for that at the

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time but now look look I I think we're

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we're far enough into this that we can

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say

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the Pentagon The Establishment they're

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not pushing the alien connection here if

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anything they're trying to pull that out

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and they are redirecting this whole

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conversation and they're turning UFOs

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into adversarial threats from China and

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Russia that's what is happening and that

545
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,460
is not an accurate assessment of the UFO

546
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:05,039
phenomenon but they are manipulating

547
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:06,720
that

548
00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:09,900
a narrative for their own clearly for

549
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:12,900
their own crazed geopolitical purposes

550
00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:14,700
which probably will not come to a good

551
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:16,140
End by the way

552
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:18,179
I mean I you can't you can't really see

553
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:20,700
anyone like they

554
00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:23,159
gillibrin or Ernst rather

555
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:26,700
she's wanted to like get some kind of

556
00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:29,159
affirmation that these were Chinese or

557
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:31,260
Russian like you could just see her she

558
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:33,480
was salivating over it and Kirkpatrick

559
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:35,159
wouldn't quite give her that but he came

560
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:37,080
close he said well I have concerns that

561
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:39,179
adversaries are involved

562
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:43,260
and but no one would ever really

563
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:46,380
have have the audacity to accuse the

564
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:48,179
Chinese of flying these things because

565
00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:49,860
that would be

566
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:52,140
such an escalation in diplomatic circles

567
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,120
plus internationally I guarantee you

568
00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:56,159
most of the world's Statesmen would just

569
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,900
point and laugh like you've got to be

570
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,240
kidding me yeah outside of the US and

571
00:25:05,289 --> 00:25:02,400
it's minions like Europe no we can't

572
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,299
either yeah uh Kirkpatrick incredible

573
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:08,400
when she came after him

574
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:09,960
um I'm gonna make two comments here I'm

575
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:11,880
gonna make them really quick when she

576
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,620
came after him on the first point about

577
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,260
Russian and Chinese

578
00:25:20,289 --> 00:25:18,720
um and he said well you know there are

579
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:20,299
indicators

580
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:23,340
you know he's using that that jargon

581
00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:26,700
there are indicators that may be kind of

582
00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:28,919
sore eight or that point but but now I

583
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:30,419
just don't feel like it's China or

584
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,080
Russia well he didn't say that he said I

585
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:36,480
have indicators right some are related

586
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,340
to foreign capabilities and and I'm

587
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,559
willing to look into that you know okay

588
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:43,200
so but then she comes right back at him

589
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:45,299
and says

590
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:50,039
is Arrow redundant right she goes you

591
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:52,440
know is Arrow redundant are there other

592
00:25:57,529 --> 00:25:55,679
agencies doing the very same thing you

593
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,539
know and and yeah I don't think Ernst

594
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,760
was too happy with his reply and then

595
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:02,400
she wants to turn around and and ask if

596
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,860
his well from her perspective it is

597
00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:06,720
redundant because you could tell she

598
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:08,100
doesn't really care about the UAP part

599
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,620
she's interested in identifying these as

600
00:26:15,070 --> 00:26:13,679
Russian or Chinese technology and so for

601
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:15,080
that the United States military is

602
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,159
constantly looking at Russian and

603
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,200
Chinese capabilities

604
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:21,539
they know about all the you know China's

605
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:23,460
satellites Russia satellites

606
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:25,500
they're they're on top of that so on

607
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,260
from that logic sure why would you need

608
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:29,760
Arrow

609
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:34,679
started as a essentially as a UFO I'm

610
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:36,299
going to use that phrase a UFO

611
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:38,940
investigative agency but what you see is

612
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:41,460
that the Pentagon is saying no no no and

613
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:43,260
Kirkpatrick said we're not really here

614
00:26:48,769 --> 00:26:45,779
to solve the UFO mystery that's not what

615
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,779
we're doing we you know he said like

616
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:50,700
it's going to take a long time I think

617
00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:52,860
before we get to that which by which I

618
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:54,059
think he means never

619
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:57,000
so uh and this whole thing about being

620
00:27:02,110 --> 00:26:59,100
data driven and the Integrity of the

621
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,120
data I mean oh that sounds really great

622
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,559
plays nice on TV

623
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,419
what does it really mean you think about

624
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:09,360
a typical UFO event usually the

625
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:11,100
instruments that are usually used to

626
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,500
record it are human eyeballs

627
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:16,380
that's like 95 of them and you get some

628
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:19,140
amazing sightings with that method but

629
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:21,779
there's what's the data there that would

630
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:24,179
satisfy him I mean actually there are

631
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:27,179
many incredible witness encounters that

632
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:30,720
would I think satisfy most reasonable

633
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,080
minds but for him he wants the data I

634
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,419
was looking at a U.S Navy case from 2007

635
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,960
off the eastern U.S Coast

636
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:41,039
uh and

637
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,500
it was it was deciding by a U.S Navy

638
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:44,960
meteorologist

639
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,580
2007 about 100 miles off the coast of

640
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:49,679
Virginia out in the Atlantic

641
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:51,779
over the Deep part of the Atlantic where

642
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:53,820
after when the Shelf drops they're out

643
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:56,340
there and he said I saw this this object

644
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:58,140
he said imagine an ordinary aircraft

645
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,940
that didn't have blinking lights just

646
00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:01,559
one solid light

647
00:28:06,529 --> 00:28:03,779
but moving at 5000 miles per hour and

648
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:06,539
making incredible turns and right angle

649
00:28:11,169 --> 00:28:08,279
turns he said that's what I saw

650
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:11,179
and he was a U.S Navy meteorologist

651
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,980
2007's not ancient history but he said

652
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:15,600
we couldn't catch this on radar we could

653
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,580
not detect it electronically

654
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:19,500
so what are you left with would that go

655
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,380
into Kirkpatrick's data set I'm thinking

656
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,000
probably not I don't know but I'm going

657
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:26,100
to guess maybe not there's a lot of

658
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:27,779
these types of encounters

659
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:29,820
and you know for these scientists who

660
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,039
are trying to be very rigorous we need

661
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:33,600
the data well

662
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:35,940
good for you that the phenomenon doesn't

663
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,700
always behave the way you want it to and

664
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:40,320
anyone who has studied this for any

665
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:42,360
lengthy period of time knows that the

666
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:43,799
phenomenon is

667
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,480
has its own mind

668
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:48,179
it does what it does and sometimes the

669
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:49,500
data you have to work with the

670
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:51,480
information you get and I I personally

671
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,140
think that good witness testimony counts

672
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:57,120
as excellent data and we're foolish not

673
00:29:02,330 --> 00:28:59,220
to utilize it because it gives a very

674
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:02,340
important part of the greater picture

675
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:04,140
I mean I'm looking at I look at

676
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:06,539
thousands of UFO cases every year now I

677
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,580
mean I'm all over Davenport's National

678
00:29:14,169 --> 00:29:10,620
UFO Reporting Center I love that site

679
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:14,179
and I'm still a big fan of George feiler

680
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:17,100
and a number of other sites that have

681
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:19,559
great sightings I just read them and

682
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:22,020
most of them don't they don't get good

683
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,640
investigations unfortunately we don't

684
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:25,919
have the capability but it doesn't mean

685
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,299
that these sightings don't happen

686
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:29,580
there's very excellent ones and yes I

687
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:31,140
realized a lot of

688
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:32,580
things that seem like they're good

689
00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:34,860
sightings sometimes they're not

690
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:36,779
but when you create enough of them I

691
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:38,340
think I mean for me I just get a sense

692
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:40,020
that there's a lot of very very

693
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:41,700
critically important activity going on

694
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,520
every single day and meanwhile we got

695
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,320
this Arrow program I feel like I'm

696
00:29:50,649 --> 00:29:48,480
looking at Nero fiddling while Rome is

697
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:50,659
burning we've got this massive

698
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:54,240
phenomenon worldwide yeah and he's just

699
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:55,860
like well we we've got to get more of

700
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:00,360
the data we're 650 cases now half he

701
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:02,520
said we're actually interesting in terms

702
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,500
of anomalies but

703
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,480
but he also then implied that he didn't

704
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:08,640
have enough data for most of those well

705
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:11,340
he also wonder where's he gonna go he

706
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,360
said two things uh to your point Richard

707
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:17,760
um I need your comments on this one and

708
00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:21,659
I was blown away he said that the sensor

709
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,179
filters have only been used for the

710
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,679
first time they've only been adjusted

711
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,880
for the first time it's like wait a

712
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:29,520
minute but this is this is United States

713
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:31,620
airspace what do you mean you're just

714
00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:35,220
now adjusting how the sensor filters

715
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:37,880
operate number one and then number two

716
00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:40,740
we're firing missiles over North America

717
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:43,559
right right over North America three

718
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:46,620
incidents you know a total of four and

719
00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:49,620
and he says Arrow had nothing to do with

720
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,299
it they weren't involved with those

721
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:53,760
balloons and and and nobody asked them

722
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:56,340
anything I heard that they were briefly

723
00:31:00,169 --> 00:30:58,440
but then I wondered were they really so

724
00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:00,179
he said sorry we're not he's saying they

725
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:02,100
were not yeah well the thing about the

726
00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:03,179
filters

727
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:03,960
um

728
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:06,799
I remembered when the Chinese balloon

729
00:31:12,649 --> 00:31:09,240
Extravaganza took over the news cycle

730
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:12,659
for that week and there was a bit of

731
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:15,179
discussion if you recall on the fact

732
00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:17,880
that you know a lot of clutter is

733
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:19,380
filtered out

734
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:20,940
I mean the fact is there are balloon

735
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:22,020
launchings

736
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:23,520
frequently they're all over the place

737
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:26,220
and uh the argument was and you could

738
00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:27,419
take this or leave it but the argument

739
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:29,159
was that if you were to

740
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:31,320
you know have every one of these objects

741
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:32,700
in here you get balloons you might get

742
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:34,200
birds you might get who knows what kind

743
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,899
of stuff is going to turn up and so some

744
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:38,700
of these things have to be filtered out

745
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:42,720
uh and that arguably that was the the

746
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:44,220
reason we're told

747
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:47,159
as to why the Chinese balloon got into

748
00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:49,260
U.S airspace to begin with because we

749
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:50,940
couldn't filter out all the balloons so

750
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:52,440
I'm guessing that's what he was talking

751
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,520
about

752
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:55,500
you know adjusting the filters so that

753
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,740
we could detect more or better who knows

754
00:32:02,090 --> 00:32:00,960
what what they did turn the dials a

755
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:02,100
little bit this way a little bit that

756
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:02,880
way

757
00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:07,500
is what I'm guessing I I call BS and and

758
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:11,340
the reason why I call PS good yes it

759
00:32:15,409 --> 00:32:14,100
wasn't it wasn't uh it wasn't a

760
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:15,419
bumblebee

761
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:18,720
it wasn't sensor data picking up a

762
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:22,620
swallow right we're talking about a

763
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:26,159
hundred meter the balloon of the balloon

764
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,460
yeah yeah with with a sensor system

765
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:32,880
hanging off of it sending real-time data

766
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:35,460
collection do you know do we have the

767
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:37,320
facts on that balloon yeah yeah I have

768
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:41,100
been trying to I have actually read uh

769
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:45,240
from uh the dod and I think it's the FBI

770
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:47,580
that and it must be true okay keep going

771
00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:50,520
yeah I don't just stop return

772
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:53,480
um I mean they do lie

773
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:57,360
they confirmed that there was real time

774
00:33:02,269 --> 00:32:59,580
relay of data

775
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:02,279
yeah so it was a I was an Espionage

776
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:04,200
people which is totally possible you

777
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,940
know during that whole I mean that could

778
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:07,919
be true they don't they don't have to

779
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,580
lie 100 of the time they usually lie uh

780
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,679
during that whole week I remembered

781
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:15,840
getting a quote from uh I forget the

782
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:17,220
general's name he's

783
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:19,320
either number one or close to number one

784
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,740
in U.S um Central Command over in the

785
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,659
Middle East so he runs a lot of the

786
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:27,120
American Military over there

787
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:28,980
and there was a quote from him and he

788
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,500
said oh God Chinese balloons every

789
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,080
single day it it's not at the front of

790
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,600
my worry Lister yeah I saw that yeah I

791
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,880
did yeah you know I mean I mean the

792
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:40,799
thing about I don't want to get too off

793
00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:42,539
track here the whole balloon thing was

794
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:45,779
almost comically bad and funny

795
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:47,700
uh I mean first of all the United States

796
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,039
has used spy balloons since the 1950s as

797
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,860
well I mean this is an old game uh but

798
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,720
on top of that the Chinese have many

799
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:57,120
many many spy satellites we all know

800
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:01,140
everyone spies on everyone we all know

801
00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:03,720
this and the United States most of all

802
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,299
and so but here we are getting really

803
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,280
our panties work up in a bunch here over

804
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,800
oh my God the balloon all right it's not

805
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:13,200
supposed to be there but this is this is

806
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:14,520
the real world and in the real world

807
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:16,080
those kind of things go down all the

808
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:17,159
time

809
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:21,419
so you know whatever well okay and then

810
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:24,780
to uh we're we'll stay on Arrow but yeah

811
00:34:32,690 --> 00:34:28,919
yeah but it was pretty crazy

812
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:32,700
to have in one week that amount of

813
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:36,720
missiles and ordinance uh being used in

814
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,700
in North American airspace like that

815
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:40,560
that's because the war is going bad in

816
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:41,940
Ukraine they had to do something I

817
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:43,560
really firmly believe that it's like you

818
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:46,020
had to be strong Biden you know he gets

819
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:47,700
caught basically politically with his

820
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,139
pants down the balloon thing comes over

821
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:51,839
the U.S and now he's gotta looks tough

822
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,119
he's gotta look strong can't let this

823
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:56,159
thing you know I mean how many times

824
00:35:01,790 --> 00:34:58,020
does this thing happen in in real life

825
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:01,800
and and I guarantee you it doesn't cause

826
00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:05,040
a big Ruckus but it became public and it

827
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,500
had to be dealt with and so you get more

828
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,320
political theater and they had it they

829
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,760
had to look strong we got to shoot this

830
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:13,440
thing down and that's in my opinion

831
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:18,560
that's 99 of it right there well okay so

832
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,420
let's keep political theater let's not

833
00:35:26,329 --> 00:35:23,520
talk politics but we'll keep political

834
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,339
theater on the table if it was important

835
00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:28,560
enough to shoot a half million dollar

836
00:35:33,970 --> 00:35:32,220
Miss still at it it's a lot of bread

837
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:33,980
um

838
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,980
yeah right okay it was a twenty dollars

839
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:39,960
they got a trillion dollar a year budget

840
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:44,160
yeah I know uh but uh shooting a 500 000

841
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:47,700
missile at an object and then saying ah

842
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,500
we're not going to tell you what it was

843
00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:50,880
we're not going to show you what it was

844
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:52,380
we're not even going to go and look for

845
00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:54,300
it in fact we'll never even find it yeah

846
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:55,859
this is why I kind of wondered was it

847
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,540
really is Bible certainly could have

848
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:59,040
been a spy balloon but maybe it wasn't

849
00:36:02,329 --> 00:36:01,140
there was one statement during that

850
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:02,339
whole thing

851
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:05,460
it was from an unnamed senior U.S

852
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,460
intelligence military whatever I read it

853
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,560
I don't have it in front of me

854
00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:12,720
uh by which they said yeah we're not

855
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:15,180
really sure it was a spy balloon I I

856
00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:16,920
know that I read that now that doesn't

857
00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:20,040
make it true but it does signal to me

858
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,460
that there was some question in the

859
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:26,000
upper echelons about that whole spy

860
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,760
narrative and it is look it's at least

861
00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:32,160
possible that it wasn't could easily

862
00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:34,740
have been I'm not saying it wasn't but I

863
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:36,839
don't know that it was and this is why

864
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,079
I'm waiting for actual confirmation

865
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:42,480
and from coming from the FBI sorry I'm

866
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:44,280
going to want a little more than that

867
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:48,300
now what did you make of uh first time I

868
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:51,839
heard this and they kept going back to

869
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:56,220
the point of seps somebody else's

870
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,119
problem and Kirkpatrick that was a bit

871
00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:03,359
disturbing yeah very very very in that

872
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:06,200
he he kept going back to the point

873
00:37:12,970 --> 00:37:10,200
and for him to again I'm paraphrasing

874
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:12,980
here but I'm pretty accurate

875
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,180
he more or less said that it was Arrow's

876
00:37:23,569 --> 00:37:21,599
mission to make these objects scps

877
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,579
that's right he did say that yeah

878
00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:25,680
someone else's problem yeah so

879
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:27,900
essentially yeah to identify and then

880
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:29,640
give him off to whatever appropriate

881
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:31,980
agency to deal with

882
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:34,020
to make it someone else's problem but I

883
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,700
found it disturbing because I I'm

884
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:37,200
thinking

885
00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:38,760
this guy is not striking me as someone

886
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:40,740
who really gives a rat's ass about the

887
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:43,260
UFO phenomenon which I'm sure he

888
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,800
probably doesn't probably doesn't he was

889
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,660
given this job someone said all right

890
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:50,400
Kirkpatrick this is you you're taking

891
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:52,440
this you did space now you're going to

892
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:53,820
do this and you know you could easily

893
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:55,320
see that happen he's like okay fine

894
00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:56,520
groan

895
00:38:01,849 --> 00:37:58,859
so I don't really get the idea that he

896
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,859
is particularly engaged or fascinated by

897
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:04,320
this phenomenon as you and I and many

898
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:06,540
all the listeners probably are like

899
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:09,060
we're we're actually interested we're

900
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:10,920
curious about it I don't know that he's

901
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:13,859
really curious other than from you know

902
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:15,240
a standard bureaucratic National

903
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:17,400
Security his National Security

904
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:19,560
perspective and it's like yeah we'll

905
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,820
figure this out it's probably a Chinese

906
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,520
probably the Russians I mean for all I

907
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:25,320
know maybe that's what he's thinking uh

908
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:27,240
I've never I didn't get any sense from

909
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,980
him that he was actually into any of

910
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:30,720
this or fascinated by it in fact I

911
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:33,420
thought he I felt that he feels it's

912
00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:34,740
boring

913
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,900
I mean that's the impression I got and

914
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:38,400
meanwhile like you've got but I think

915
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:39,900
that's his job

916
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:43,440
I I believe his job is to make this as

917
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:45,060
boring as possible so that people just

918
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:46,140
don't care

919
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:49,020
like just move on like a blue bookish

920
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:51,780
kind of I do I think so yeah I think I

921
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:53,579
think they're not interested in

922
00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:56,220
in uh stoking the fires of this

923
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:57,660
phenomenon

924
00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:59,220
I think they want to just put it to

925
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:00,839
sleep which is what the military has

926
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:02,520
always wanted to do

927
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:04,260
they've always wanted UFOs to go to

928
00:39:08,569 --> 00:39:06,119
sleep I still believe

929
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:08,579
uh you know people people are encouraged

930
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:10,200
to try to prove me wrong here but I

931
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:12,660
still believe that when ttsa started on

932
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:15,300
this business back in 2017.

933
00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:18,660
that they were a genuine faction within

934
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:20,460
the establishment they're not

935
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,380
revolutionaries they're not Renegades

936
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:24,720
they're just a faction from within the

937
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,880
establishment but one that wanted more

938
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:31,680
openness on UFOs not disclosure I don't

939
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,940
think there were disclosure Advocates

940
00:39:36,829 --> 00:39:35,280
but for whatever their reasons are and I

941
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,839
don't know all other reasons I think

942
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:38,880
some of them genuinely believe in UFOs

943
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:42,000
in fact I'm quite sure of that but for

944
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:44,220
you know this is really something that I

945
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,540
want to know and I think we all need to

946
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:48,240
know is what was ttsa's fundamental

947
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:51,780
motivation but but they did open up this

948
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,859
question to the dis comfort of of the

949
00:39:59,569 --> 00:39:58,079
Pentagon establishment I believe that I

950
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,579
do not believe that the Pentagon was

951
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:02,160
happy with all of this new emphasis on

952
00:40:06,349 --> 00:40:04,619
UAP starting 2017. I don't think so I

953
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,359
don't see any evidence that the Pentagon

954
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,160
was happy you had a whole year plus

955
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:10,079
where they were smearing Elizondo trying

956
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:11,940
to take him down making a lot of

957
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:15,780
unfounded lies about it actually and

958
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:18,359
uh there were places within the Navy

959
00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:21,000
that were playing it up a little bit but

960
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,880
I again I think that could be

961
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:26,400
the result of a real disagreement within

962
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:28,020
within that service I think it's

963
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:29,880
entirely possible especially with the

964
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,320
Navy because there's just so much going

965
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,599
on with the UFO subject there

966
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:35,520
so I think what we were looking at was

967
00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:37,560
the kind of uh food fight inside the

968
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,520
Pentagon

969
00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:40,800
and and I think what's happening now is

970
00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:41,940
that the

971
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,099
you know the big boys are taking control

972
00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:46,800
of it again and they are putting this

973
00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:49,079
problem back into the box where they had

974
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:51,540
happily kept it for all this time do you

975
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:53,640
think um and I'm not trying to put you

976
00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:56,099
on the spot Richard but it kind of needs

977
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,640
to be asked in a direct form do you

978
00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:02,160
think that Kirkpatrick was doing just

979
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:05,339
that that he was taking a direct uh

980
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:09,060
crack at Elizondo and those efforts by

981
00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:10,859
saying directly

982
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:14,520
there there's nothing E.T here

983
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:16,859
yes I do and I think he took a crack at

984
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:20,760
the at the uh the UFO research community

985
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:24,180
in general when he said we don't work uh

986
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:26,280
science doesn't work by blog and social

987
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:29,220
media and I think that was a direct dig

988
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,180
at a genuine UFO researchers so he's you

989
00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:35,160
know staking his territory he's

990
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:37,400
essentially saying we're only looking at

991
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:40,980
uh you know high level data Integrity by

992
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:43,140
which he's really throwing out the vast

993
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,200
majority of UFO sightings it's not going

994
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,720
to make it to him uh they want the

995
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:51,359
phenomenon to behave in the way that

996
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:54,660
they require for their data analysis

997
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,579
which okay look if you're really if

998
00:42:01,849 --> 00:41:58,079
you're going to be rigorous about the

999
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:01,859
data that's fine but I I

1000
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,440
I'm not convinced that they are honest

1001
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,480
about it look you know the United States

1002
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:08,760
Air Force with Project Blue Book was not

1003
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:11,460
honest about their data

1004
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,380
when people quote Blue Book statistics

1005
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,140
to this day it annoys me because I know

1006
00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:18,780
those statistics were massaged to all

1007
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:20,579
hell I mean blue book did everything

1008
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:23,220
possible to get the unknown percentage

1009
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:24,900
down to as low as possible I mean they

1010
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:27,180
would anything that was a possible

1011
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,160
balloon became balloon anything that was

1012
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,380
possible Birds was birds and that was

1013
00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:33,839
literally their policy it was absolutely

1014
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:35,940
scientifically dishonest

1015
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:38,880
now that was the 1950s and 60s and

1016
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,200
people might say oh well we're different

1017
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:42,660
now well I would really question that

1018
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:44,339
are they different

1019
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,440
you know Kirkpatrick saying this is we

1020
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:47,760
want this to be someone else's problem

1021
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:50,940
meaning I don't want this on my desk

1022
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:53,940
so I think I think the point of what he

1023
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:57,420
was doing I feel number one was to just

1024
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:59,579
like the the um

1025
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:00,780
you know recommendations of the

1026
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,540
Robertson panels 70 years ago which is

1027
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:05,520
basically to demystify and debunk the

1028
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,560
UFO problem to the public

1029
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,359
they're still doing it that's what

1030
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,520
they're doing here I mean demystify

1031
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:12,960
turned it all into conventional

1032
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:15,240
technology

1033
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,540
and uh and that's that and then also I

1034
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:20,880
mean I do think we're at the point now

1035
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:24,240
where the UFO or UAP pH phenomenon can

1036
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:26,280
do its part to help feed the

1037
00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:28,500
military-industrial complex I think I

1038
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:30,839
think they're now willing to use it for

1039
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:33,420
that end I don't think publicly they

1040
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:35,400
were in the past

1041
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:37,319
they because to do that would have given

1042
00:43:42,349 --> 00:43:40,140
the UFO subject too much credibility but

1043
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:42,359
it's now as long as they demystify and

1044
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,220
turn UFOs into Chinese balloons hell

1045
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:45,599
like all right we'll call them UFOs

1046
00:43:50,569 --> 00:43:48,359
great and we'll use that also to stir up

1047
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:50,579
the fear I mean one thing Kirkpatrick

1048
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:53,640
said toward the end was uh the adversary

1049
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:56,940
is not waiting and this is really one of

1050
00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:58,440
the most disturbing things they are

1051
00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:00,119
advancing I have the code here and they

1052
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,300
are advancing quickly they are less risk

1053
00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:06,119
averse to technological advancement than

1054
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,619
we are which I thought was disingenuous

1055
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:10,560
and also not true but but he's basically

1056
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:12,780
giving a warning like yeah the Chinese

1057
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:15,000
and the Russians they're moving ahead we

1058
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:16,740
need to move ahead so that's that's a

1059
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,359
call for more money and for more

1060
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:19,980
spending for the military-industrial

1061
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,740
complex so I think UFOs are UAP in this

1062
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,920
Incarnation are being used for

1063
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:28,079
for that purpose

1064
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:31,760
now if we go back historically because

1065
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:35,400
Kirkpatrick's statement there I think is

1066
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:39,300
only applicable to like the last five

1067
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:43,500
years maybe possibly 10 years

1068
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:46,859
but you can't go back historically and

1069
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:49,980
pin Russia and China no I mean since in

1070
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,740
the 70s in the 80s the 60s and the 50s

1071
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:54,960
you can't even pin the Tic Tac UFO on

1072
00:44:59,150 --> 00:44:57,000
the Russians no you can't not credible

1073
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,160
you cannot do it so you're right it is

1074
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,440
disingenuous and it's it's quite frankly

1075
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:02,880
an untruth

1076
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:04,380
absolutely

1077
00:45:08,170 --> 00:45:06,300
and that and that leads to the last

1078
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:08,180
thing that this thing really was so the

1079
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,880
demystify UAP UFOs yes feed the military

1080
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:14,160
industrial complex yeah do that but then

1081
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:15,480
the other thing is

1082
00:45:19,089 --> 00:45:17,579
you know this has to be said intentional

1083
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:19,099
obfuscation

1084
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:23,760
phenomenon in other words

1085
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,380
I mean think about

1086
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:26,640
just

1087
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,980
you and and all listeners like if you if

1088
00:45:32,569 --> 00:45:31,440
you've studied the UFO subject to any

1089
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:32,579
degree

1090
00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:34,619
and if you really get into it if you

1091
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:36,540
really start looking at the data and

1092
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:39,420
read like a thousand books on it and all

1093
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,960
of that you you know that this is a

1094
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:45,599
global phenomenon that is running hot

1095
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:48,800
and heavy back in the 1950s and today

1096
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:51,540
this is Big Time stuff here that we're

1097
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:54,180
dealing with this is something it's very

1098
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:57,960
very important and I don't hear UFO

1099
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,640
um researchers or speakers really

1100
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:02,160
hitting this point enough this is a

1101
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:03,359
significant

1102
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:04,859
problem

1103
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,480
hovering over your neighborhood at 2 30

1104
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:10,800
in the morning

1105
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:14,460
it's a problem when every year more

1106
00:46:18,849 --> 00:46:16,140
people are convinced that they've had

1107
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:18,859
abduction experiences it's a problem

1108
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:22,440
when you you know get sightings of this

1109
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,260
literally every continent almost every

1110
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:27,900
country practically every day as far as

1111
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:32,099
we can tell this is so like I'm doing a

1112
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:34,020
a lot of research right now on Usos

1113
00:46:39,849 --> 00:46:37,140
water-based UFOs and the sightings that

1114
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:39,859
I'm finding that I'm digging up and and

1115
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,060
let me stop you right there Richard this

1116
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:44,400
is mind-blowing hold on hold on I'm

1117
00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:45,960
going to give you here's here's my gift

1118
00:46:52,430 --> 00:46:48,180
here's my gift

1119
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,440
that Richard oh hell man you pull up one

1120
00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:54,240
of my slides man I don't I don't mess

1121
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:57,780
around you did your homework okay so I'm

1122
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:00,960
gonna run this uh without audio

1123
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:02,940
um but uh the graphics are here and I'm

1124
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,460
gonna stop with the uh the report and

1125
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,920
and we'll go through that but uh tell

1126
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:10,079
everybody what's going on here

1127
00:47:12,829 --> 00:47:11,160
yeah

1128
00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:12,839
um I wish I had the quote of that in

1129
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:16,020
front of me but I pretty much

1130
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:20,040
yeah so this was a a an oil rig worker

1131
00:47:24,490 --> 00:47:22,680
and it's the 2017 as you see the Gulf of

1132
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:24,500
Mexico and this went into the National

1133
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:27,300
UFO Reporting Center and I remember this

1134
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:29,339
pretty well so I think I can say it

1135
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:32,520
there you go he sees a massive UFO so

1136
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:36,420
he's with um uh three co-workers on his

1137
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:37,500
rig

1138
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:43,440
less than a mile from their distance so

1139
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:46,859
it's clearly visible and in between the

1140
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:49,740
two rigs he's 80 miles off the coast of

1141
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:51,420
New Orleans oh you got the quote right

1142
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,680
here you've got this

1143
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:54,480
so yeah it's it's

1144
00:48:01,130 --> 00:47:57,060
um getting toward the end of the day

1145
00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:01,140
and they see this huge object come out

1146
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:03,540
of the water let's see it's not it

1147
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:05,400
wasn't dripping water I think he's got

1148
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:08,099
that in there he was

1149
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:10,140
a quarter of a mile

1150
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,900
close yeah he says the oil rig is a half

1151
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:17,040
mile away

1152
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:20,460
yeah that's it between the two and

1153
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:23,640
therefore he was able to gauge the size

1154
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:26,700
of this craft just based on the oil rig

1155
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:29,579
that's a half mile out this is like four

1156
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:32,700
times the size of his shoes this thing

1157
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:35,940
was massive yes yes it comes out of the

1158
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:38,280
water and then just 40 feet above the

1159
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:40,380
water the guy was very kind of exact

1160
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:42,599
with a lot of his descriptions and he

1161
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:44,460
said it just took off within a split

1162
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:46,140
second I'm just going to read it the

1163
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,180
craft disappeared at a 30 degree angle

1164
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:50,700
into the sky he said speed I love this

1165
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:52,500
appeared to be faster than speed of a

1166
00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:54,660
light turning on in a room

1167
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:57,540
and it was just gone and uh and then he

1168
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:58,619
said yeah I think there's got to be

1169
00:49:02,270 --> 00:49:00,780
other Witnesses from the other rig I

1170
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:02,280
hope they come forward and then Peter

1171
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:04,500
Davenport which is one thing I love

1172
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:05,940
about Peter you know he's been doing

1173
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:08,460
this for so long and he's still going at

1174
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:10,680
it uh every now and then Peter will talk

1175
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:13,020
to these people he doesn't go on site

1176
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:14,520
he's not doing an investigation he's not

1177
00:49:19,150 --> 00:49:17,160
doing boots on the ground uh but he'll

1178
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:19,160
talk to these folks and and Peter is

1179
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,380
very smart and he just said in the

1180
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:24,240
aftermath spoke to Ed link to the

1181
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:26,220
witness struck me as exceedingly

1182
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:29,700
credible a clear observant witness and

1183
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:32,040
so forth which it's about as much as you

1184
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:34,260
can do in a phone conversation so yeah

1185
00:49:38,329 --> 00:49:35,700
this thing comes up out of the Gulf of

1186
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:38,339
Mexico and just hovers for a few moments

1187
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:41,880
just above the water and then it's gone

1188
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:45,000
instant acceleration he he says that uh

1189
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,150
excuse me 240 feet in length and that

1190
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:55,740
this object was four times the size of

1191
00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:58,140
that so about a thousand feet you're

1192
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:00,300
talking three football fields three

1193
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:03,780
football fields and came out dry

1194
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:06,060
very very which you hear a lot of that

1195
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:08,280
actually yeah

1196
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:10,140
and he said there were two other oil

1197
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:12,839
rigs uh out there there must have been

1198
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,420
you know uh he said it was himself and

1199
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:17,760
four crew members on his boat I'll watch

1200
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:20,579
this happen uh but he said that this is

1201
00:50:25,309 --> 00:50:21,900
out here in the Gulf of Mexico there's

1202
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:25,319
other oil rigs and certainly there were

1203
00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:27,480
other Witnesses too as well I like

1204
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:30,260
Peter's comment though you're right yeah

1205
00:50:36,109 --> 00:50:33,660
sober enough fellow you know that's what

1206
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:36,119
Peter does yes and by the way there's a

1207
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,560
lot of sightings out of the Gulf of

1208
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:39,839
Mexico and the Caribbean in general uh

1209
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,480
little you know next door there and the

1210
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,880
thing about the lack of water you do I'm

1211
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:47,520
seeing that a lot in these cases where

1212
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:49,140
people say I can't believe there's no

1213
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,180
water coming out of this thing uh the

1214
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:53,520
the late Carl fine who was just an

1215
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:55,740
exceptional Uso researcher he really was

1216
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:58,619
the greatest Uso researcher ever the

1217
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:00,300
more I look into his work

1218
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,720
but he did a lot of analysis of the

1219
00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:06,480
interaction between these objects and

1220
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,200
water uh not all as Usos like if it was

1221
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,480
a flying saucer in the rain he would put

1222
00:51:15,950 --> 00:51:14,160
that in his database if it was going

1223
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:15,960
through fog or if it affected water if

1224
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:18,960
it affected ice but he did have a lot of

1225
00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:21,300
these cases where these objects were in

1226
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:24,119
large bodies of water for sure and he

1227
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:26,280
believed that it was in effect

1228
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:30,119
of the uh the field generation around

1229
00:51:34,849 --> 00:51:32,280
the craft that somehow was just able to

1230
00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:34,859
allow it not to get the water on it and

1231
00:51:37,549 --> 00:51:36,119
so that when it left the water

1232
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:37,559
frequently

1233
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:38,819
sometimes the field would be on

1234
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:40,380
sometimes he said the field is off but

1235
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,800
if it's on it's you're not often going

1236
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:45,960
to see water coming off of it

1237
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:48,180
I mean His science is better on this

1238
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:50,520
than mine yeah this is uh what you had

1239
00:51:55,849 --> 00:51:52,619
mentioned earlier uh the U.S Navy

1240
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:55,859
encounter yeah which was October of uh

1241
00:52:02,930 --> 00:51:59,700
October 2nd 2007 and you can see

1242
00:52:06,049 --> 00:52:02,940
Virginia here and North Carolina and

1243
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,059
that we have is a report from the United

1244
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,920
States Navy uh can we go over this

1245
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,079
really quick yeah yeah this I I didn't

1246
00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:12,000
know you had this here and I would have

1247
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:14,339
used probably a different case but I did

1248
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:16,020
just mention this on my uh my YouTube

1249
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:19,680
show the other day so um it's a good and

1250
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,960
yeah so he's on a ship he says it's 100

1251
00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:23,940
miles off the coast of Southern Virginia

1252
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,559
so I just went to Google Earth and I'm

1253
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:27,599
like okay the southern part of Virginia

1254
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:29,099
let's measure it out and that's where

1255
00:52:33,049 --> 00:52:30,780
that little Thumbtack was

1256
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:33,059
and then um

1257
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:34,680
and that's what I do with every one of

1258
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:36,119
these cases I'm going through it's like

1259
00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:38,280
I have to know exactly where did it

1260
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:40,859
happen the best of my capability to

1261
00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:42,420
figure this out so that's where that was

1262
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:43,859
he says during a routine weather

1263
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:46,200
observation 10 P.M

1264
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,180
a lot of these are at night not all but

1265
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:50,700
many are aboard a naval vessel he didn't

1266
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:52,680
say which during flight operations I saw

1267
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:54,300
an object in my East moving at an

1268
00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:57,300
extreme speed changing directions before

1269
00:53:01,790 --> 00:52:58,980
disappearing said it was a white light

1270
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,800
about four times the size of a star I

1271
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,660
forgot that part and he said imagine an

1272
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:05,280
airplane at night with its lights not

1273
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:07,380
blinking but flying at 5000 miles per

1274
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:10,260
hour moving at a four this was a little

1275
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:12,059
confusing to me moving at a 45 degree

1276
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:14,760
angle from east to west

1277
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:18,119
I I'm not sure what that meant maybe 45

1278
00:53:22,609 --> 00:53:20,040
degrees from his position but then he

1279
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:22,619
said it it abruptly changed course and

1280
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:24,180
made a right angle turn and disappeared

1281
00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:25,859
and they just said I'm a meteorologist

1282
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,380
for the Navy and observed the sky on a

1283
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:30,420
nightly basis I would think that makes

1284
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:32,099
him a pretty good witness frankly I've

1285
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,200
never seen anything like this it was not

1286
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:36,720
on our radar it appeared to be about

1287
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,520
five to seven miles away but I suspect

1288
00:53:43,069 --> 00:53:41,280
it was farther away than that and that's

1289
00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:43,079
that's a new Fork case people you can

1290
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:44,579
look that up you go to the National UFO

1291
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:45,960
Reporting Center for that date and you

1292
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:47,640
can read it

1293
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:51,839
um the thing is these these cases like

1294
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:53,819
I don't know if they would qualify for

1295
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,640
the arrow database uh the the one in the

1296
00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:58,319
Gulf of Mexico

1297
00:54:02,270 --> 00:54:00,180
what radar caught that that wasn't a

1298
00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:02,280
military case that's just a bunch of

1299
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:04,440
guys working on an oil rig and then

1300
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:06,780
you've got this Navy one which is a

1301
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,660
military case but as I'm seeing with a

1302
00:54:14,589 --> 00:54:11,520
lot of these Navy encounters like a lot

1303
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:14,599
of them don't get reported

1304
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:18,300
and this 5 000 mile per hour number I I

1305
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:20,460
I'm gonna go back to your point uh where

1306
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:23,460
Kirkpatrick is talking about the now now

1307
00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:26,099
with a China and adversarial you know

1308
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:28,140
catching up with technology in Russia

1309
00:54:34,329 --> 00:54:30,900
and things like that but historically

1310
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:34,339
speaking uh and you have covered

1311
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:37,680
hundreds of cases like this I have

1312
00:54:43,849 --> 00:54:40,440
poured over your research and you hear

1313
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:43,859
this over and over again in the 50s in

1314
00:54:50,650 --> 00:54:46,880
the 60s in the 70s military

1315
00:54:54,109 --> 00:54:50,660
uh different divisions of the military

1316
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:54,119
reporting these extraordinary speeds of

1317
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,500
you know five thousand it was traveling

1318
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,599
at four thousand miles per hour it at

1319
00:55:02,809 --> 00:55:00,420
one o'clock we observed this for two

1320
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:02,819
hours and it was traveling at extreme

1321
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:06,900
speeds when nobody including us had that

1322
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:09,240
technology and that's the part where

1323
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,460
Kirkpatrick is completely in the dark

1324
00:55:15,490 --> 00:55:12,960
and I just don't think he would have

1325
00:55:17,809 --> 00:55:15,500
that position today if he just went back

1326
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:17,819
historically and pulled up some military

1327
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:21,660
cases like this I agree with you uh I

1328
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:24,180
completely agree and the reason when I

1329
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:26,940
started researching UFOs all those years

1330
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:28,740
ago the first

1331
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:30,660
area that I wanted to become conversant

1332
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:33,660
with were U.S military Declassified

1333
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,780
reports because I just I assumed

1334
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:38,640
that at least

1335
00:55:44,329 --> 00:55:40,440
I don't know how you know much

1336
00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:44,339
scientific data is on the foia documents

1337
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:46,619
but at least with a foia document you

1338
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,180
know the thing happened you know it was

1339
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:50,160
reported and it was considered serious

1340
00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:52,740
enough that a report was made and in

1341
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:55,140
fact in many of the foia documents there

1342
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:56,400
is

1343
00:56:00,890 --> 00:55:58,920
I would say data to work off of in terms

1344
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:00,900
of like a lot of times speeds of the

1345
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:02,760
objects are indicated or performance

1346
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,460
qualities of the objects are there

1347
00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:08,160
but you know I remember

1348
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:09,960
um a couple of years ago I was asking

1349
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:12,720
Lou Elizondo about you know how much

1350
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,540
historical knowledge was in the um the

1351
00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:17,640
atip program and the OSAP program like

1352
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:19,079
were you guys

1353
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:22,440
going back into the archaic UFO reports

1354
00:56:27,290 --> 00:56:25,260
and he said like no not really like

1355
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:27,300
there wasn't there wasn't this

1356
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,119
historical knowledge and

1357
00:56:35,630 --> 00:56:31,920
I could actually believe that now

1358
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:35,640
because when that office started

1359
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,800
that was started you know

1360
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:39,960
guys like Harry Reid and a few other

1361
00:56:43,849 --> 00:56:41,400
Senators said are we going to start this

1362
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:43,859
up and they got Bigelow involved

1363
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,480
that didn't mean that they automatically

1364
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:47,280
had access to all of the pentagon's

1365
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,260
historical UFO data

1366
00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:51,119
in fact what really it looks like more

1367
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,940
and more is that that program was its

1368
00:56:59,809 --> 00:56:55,559
own attempt

1369
00:57:01,970 --> 00:56:59,819
to get to get to the data and I I think

1370
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:01,980
I think they failed

1371
00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:07,020
so so Lou didn't have access at least an

1372
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:09,000
official capacity to the historical data

1373
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,220
either which I thought was disappointing

1374
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:13,680
and now the Arab program you you might

1375
00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:15,300
think would be in a better position

1376
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:18,260
that's more of a that's a formally

1377
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:21,000
established pentagon

1378
00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:22,440
program

1379
00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:25,319
not that atip wasn't but

1380
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:27,180
I think atip was always like a black

1381
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:28,200
sheep

1382
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:31,260
the arrow program

1383
00:57:35,150 --> 00:57:33,180
I don't know maybe that's a black sheep

1384
00:57:37,309 --> 00:57:35,160
too maybe they're not given the data I

1385
00:57:40,370 --> 00:57:37,319
don't really know the Inside Story there

1386
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,380
but uh clearly they're not working off

1387
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,599
of any historical information

1388
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:44,400
and they're not working off of this

1389
00:57:49,790 --> 00:57:47,520
historically in any way this is where

1390
00:57:50,569 --> 00:57:49,800
this is where I I do get kind of pissed

1391
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:50,579
though

1392
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:53,160
uh both Elizondo

1393
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,520
and Kirkpatrick and others all have

1394
00:58:01,309 --> 00:57:58,640
freaking Amazon Prime

1395
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,319
[Laughter]

1396
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:03,119
those are the National Security State

1397
00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:04,859
volume one

1398
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:08,099
you know they can go and get uh uh top

1399
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,680
secret uh you know Timothy good right

1400
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:13,200
they can go and get any Jacques valet

1401
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:15,720
book which is full of historical

1402
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,819
sightings around the world they can go

1403
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:20,160
and get Jay Allen heineck's book that

1404
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:24,240
has been out for 50 years now right that

1405
00:58:30,589 --> 00:58:27,300
historically goes back in the Deep dive

1406
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,599
Project Blue Book and the cases that

1407
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:32,880
should have been uh looked at a little

1408
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:35,280
bit differently that's all easily

1409
00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:38,099
accessible and do a little bit of your

1410
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:40,140
homework spend a weekend in a cabin in

1411
00:58:45,170 --> 00:58:42,180
the woods and and just get caught up on

1412
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:45,180
stuff so I I just don't hold that as an

1413
00:58:48,589 --> 00:58:46,680
excuse if you're going to be serious

1414
00:58:50,990 --> 00:58:48,599
about the subject go out and do some

1415
00:58:53,150 --> 00:58:51,000
reading we're dealing with the Pentagon

1416
00:58:56,270 --> 00:58:53,160
we're dealing with an institution that

1417
00:58:59,089 --> 00:58:56,280
really is incapable of truth-telling or

1418
00:58:59,710 --> 00:58:59,099
reading or reading apparently

1419
00:59:01,309 --> 00:58:59,720
yeah

1420
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:01,319
right

1421
00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:03,780
uh but certainly not truth-telling they

1422
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:06,540
they can't do it

1423
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:09,180
we're we're so beyond the pale at this

1424
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:10,980
point in our society

1425
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,559
and I'm I'm kind of amazed I mean I

1426
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,839
there are a couple of uh folks in the

1427
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,480
UFO field the commentary field who are

1428
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:20,160
like supporting

1429
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:22,680
what arrow is doing they were like very

1430
00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:24,359
supportive of it yeah I think he did a

1431
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:26,339
very good job I read uh something in the

1432
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:28,140
debrief along those lines the other day

1433
00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:30,119
and I was a little disappointed

1434
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:31,740
but

1435
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:33,900
you know there's just there's I don't

1436
00:59:38,809 --> 00:59:35,460
know I don't know what the breakdown is

1437
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:38,819
among other UFO researchers

1438
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:41,400
um but I'm not I'm not hearing a lot of

1439
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:43,559
indignation maybe I'm just not paying

1440
00:59:47,569 --> 00:59:45,000
enough attention but

1441
00:59:50,569 --> 00:59:47,579
my God I mean

1442
00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:50,579
there's we're so far past the point of

1443
00:59:54,410 --> 00:59:51,420
having

1444
00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:54,420
honesty and good faith in the United

1445
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,619
States government on pretty much

1446
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:57,119
anything I'm at the point where I I

1447
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,559
really don't see them having good faith

1448
01:00:03,170 --> 01:00:00,480
on any single thing but certainly on the

1449
01:00:04,609 --> 01:00:03,180
UFO subject they do not have they do not

1450
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work in good faith and I think they're

1451
01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:07,740
just long project to put the toothpaste

1452
01:00:12,049 --> 01:00:09,660
back in the tube which I think they've

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01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:12,059
been wanting to do for a while meanwhile

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Rome is burning

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yeah exactly uh Richard stay right there

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we're going to take a quick break this

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is Fade to Black I am your host Jimmy

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Church stay with us we'll be right back

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1540
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:36,180
is with us and and Richard

1541
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:39,180
I stopped wearing my glasses

1542
01:03:45,650 --> 01:03:42,180
yeah I stopped wearing my glass I'm

1543
01:03:47,530 --> 01:03:45,660
using this this this thing it's a patch

1544
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,540
x39

1545
01:03:52,130 --> 01:03:49,920
laser surgery you didn't have that I

1546
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:52,140
didn't zap your eyes I didn't I couldn't

1547
01:03:58,430 --> 01:03:56,579
see I I can see yeah it's crazy we have

1548
01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:58,440
to talk about this yeah yeah yeah we'll

1549
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:00,599
talk about it I want to know your secret

1550
01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:03,420
man I'm telling you I'm telling you I I

1551
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:05,400
for me

1552
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:07,980
um uh you know to have these monitors in

1553
01:04:13,789 --> 01:04:11,880
front of me and about a year ago I I

1554
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:13,799
gave in I started wearing glasses on the

1555
01:04:18,970 --> 01:04:16,680
air because I couldn't see now it's

1556
01:04:21,309 --> 01:04:18,980
gonna make fun of you but yeah

1557
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,319
I know

1558
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,760
you've got to check it out

1559
01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:26,160
um what I wanted to do

1560
01:04:32,450 --> 01:04:30,359
is uh I wanted to talk about Nike cap

1561
01:04:36,829 --> 01:04:32,460
and the reason

1562
01:04:40,190 --> 01:04:36,839
the reason for that is this nycap

1563
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:40,200
um historically for those that at Nic AP

1564
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,540
for everybody that that may not know

1565
01:04:46,910 --> 01:04:44,880
historically and for anybody doing

1566
01:04:50,589 --> 01:04:46,920
modern UFO research and you're in the

1567
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:50,599
game now because of 2017. I get it Go

1568
01:04:57,710 --> 01:04:54,720
and and look up nightcap and look at the

1569
01:05:02,870 --> 01:04:57,720
history there and certainly Richard uh

1570
01:05:04,910 --> 01:05:02,880
uh does some great uh uh information uh

1571
01:05:07,730 --> 01:05:04,920
I I wanted to say deep dive yeah yeah

1572
01:05:11,630 --> 01:05:07,740
actually you spent a chapter or two on

1573
01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:11,640
nycap in in Security State but is this

1574
01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:16,260
nycap which was formed in 1956 their

1575
01:05:21,049 --> 01:05:19,020
mission and they ran man they ran they

1576
01:05:23,030 --> 01:05:21,059
ran a few decades right they kept it

1577
01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:23,040
together for a few decades and they're

1578
01:05:30,289 --> 01:05:27,059
ups and downs but their mission was to

1579
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,299
lift the secrecy about UFOs that's it

1580
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:32,400
that was their mission statement and and

1581
01:05:37,789 --> 01:05:35,220
that was their goal and talk about

1582
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:37,799
history repeating itself that's exactly

1583
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:40,559
where we are today but if we also go

1584
01:05:46,730 --> 01:05:44,880
back and look at nycap nycap originally

1585
01:05:49,789 --> 01:05:46,740
and you can jump in at any point say

1586
01:05:53,329 --> 01:05:49,799
Church your your way off base here but

1587
01:05:57,230 --> 01:05:53,339
nycap originally to the head like a half

1588
01:05:59,390 --> 01:05:57,240
a dozen Admirals from the Navy right on

1589
01:06:03,730 --> 01:05:59,400
board with nycap

1590
01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:03,740
um and then after about 10 years or so

1591
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,000
the CIA gets involved and the CIA kind

1592
01:06:15,049 --> 01:06:11,520
of did their little infiltration of

1593
01:06:19,010 --> 01:06:15,059
nycap uh don Kehoe definitely tried to

1594
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:19,020
keep everything together and and keep

1595
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:22,920
the the the unveiling of the UFO secret

1596
01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:25,920
their primary Mission and here we are

1597
01:06:32,329 --> 01:06:30,420
today repeating the same words with the

1598
01:06:35,870 --> 01:06:32,339
same involvement here we have the name

1599
01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:35,880
Navy right the Navy front and center in

1600
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,280
this entire situation we certainly have

1601
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,039
the CIA involved in the situation and

1602
01:06:47,329 --> 01:06:43,920
where the goal is still the same trying

1603
01:06:50,210 --> 01:06:47,339
to lift this and and get to the answers

1604
01:06:53,089 --> 01:06:50,220
for all of these questions and and how

1605
01:06:55,549 --> 01:06:53,099
crazy do you feel that that is well uh

1606
01:06:57,950 --> 01:06:55,559
yeah a couple of things I would just add

1607
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,960
to what you were saying nycap did have a

1608
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,280
lot of Navy

1609
01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:02,160
uh people on the board in the early

1610
01:07:06,770 --> 01:07:04,980
years there was CIA infiltration early

1611
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:06,780
on in icap

1612
01:07:12,289 --> 01:07:09,720
uh but it became much more severe

1613
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,299
by the late 1960s so it became a real

1614
01:07:16,970 --> 01:07:14,880
problem and uh really I think torpedo of

1615
01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:16,980
nightcap nightcap was dead in the water

1616
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,220
after uh Kehoe left in 1969 it was it

1617
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,599
went for another decade but it was

1618
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,760
essentially just a nothing organization

1619
01:07:27,049 --> 01:07:25,680
after that

1620
01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:27,059
um and they had a couple of guys from

1621
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:28,920
the Army on the board as well in the

1622
01:07:33,170 --> 01:07:31,619
early years Donald Kehoe who he didn't

1623
01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:33,180
create an eye cap actually that was

1624
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:35,660
created by T Townsend Brown

1625
01:07:42,529 --> 01:07:39,599
yeah yeah but he kind of got nosed out

1626
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:42,539
of it Kehoe took over early on and ran

1627
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:45,839
it and he did run it as a UFO you say

1628
01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:48,180
UFO disclosure kind of organization for

1629
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:52,020
the longest time and Kehoe was Hardcore

1630
01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:54,420
believer he really was pushing this he

1631
01:07:58,910 --> 01:07:56,819
absolutely believed that the United

1632
01:08:00,829 --> 01:07:58,920
States Congress needed to get on top of

1633
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,839
this because back then Donald Keough

1634
01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:02,880
believed in the American system everyone

1635
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:04,440
believed in the American system back in

1636
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:06,180
the 50s and 60s like that was the norm

1637
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:08,460
and the idea is well we've got to get

1638
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,740
this problem before our elected

1639
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:12,720
representatives in Congress and they'll

1640
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:15,299
deal with this and so the the goal that

1641
01:08:20,809 --> 01:08:18,060
nycap had almost annually during the 50s

1642
01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:20,819
and in the 60s was to somehow get

1643
01:08:25,370 --> 01:08:23,940
Congressional hearings on UFOs and in

1644
01:08:27,890 --> 01:08:25,380
fact there were a couple of time times

1645
01:08:30,530 --> 01:08:27,900
in the early 60s when it looked like

1646
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,540
nycap was going to succeed and they had

1647
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,920
the rug pulled out from underneath them

1648
01:08:36,769 --> 01:08:34,080
at the last minute they finally did get

1649
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:36,779
some hearings in 1966 those were a joke

1650
01:08:41,209 --> 01:08:39,120
it's like one day hearing and then they

1651
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:41,219
had hearings for

1652
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,520
um in 1968 where which were much more

1653
01:08:47,650 --> 01:08:46,080
substantial and they had a lot of

1654
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:47,660
outside speakers like James McDonald

1655
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:50,640
Allen heineck and some other very

1656
01:08:55,610 --> 01:08:53,520
impressive people but then uh

1657
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:55,620
but that never went anywhere either I

1658
01:08:59,329 --> 01:08:57,480
mean it never these just never went

1659
01:09:01,970 --> 01:08:59,339
anywhere and uh

1660
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:01,980
and it's true what the the Air Force and

1661
01:09:06,829 --> 01:09:04,799
the CIA were both excellent at doing

1662
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,839
which is what they're doing now is

1663
01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:08,880
getting out ahead of the problem

1664
01:09:12,890 --> 01:09:11,100
so think of thing in the 19

1665
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:12,900
well let's go let me just go back even a

1666
01:09:16,130 --> 01:09:14,040
little bit more I want to talk about the

1667
01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:16,140
1950s and the Robertson panel because

1668
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:18,420
that also was the response to a crisis

1669
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:21,480
and the crisis happened back in 1952

1670
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,900
over 70 years ago that was a huge year

1671
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:26,719
of UFO sightings in the United States

1672
01:09:32,689 --> 01:09:29,600
civilian and Military lots of military

1673
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:32,699
sightings this was really getting the

1674
01:09:36,289 --> 01:09:34,259
military and the intelligence Community

1675
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,299
up in arms and

1676
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:38,239
so what do they do they the CIA

1677
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:41,279
organized a classified scientific panel

1678
01:09:46,010 --> 01:09:44,339
a lot of high-level Nobel caliber

1679
01:09:49,070 --> 01:09:46,020
scientists physicists

1680
01:09:51,950 --> 01:09:49,080
where we now know the research on this

1681
01:09:53,689 --> 01:09:51,960
is shut and open and shut that their the

1682
01:09:54,970 --> 01:09:53,699
conclusions were done before they even

1683
01:09:57,950 --> 01:09:54,980
convened

1684
01:09:59,630 --> 01:09:57,960
didn't know anything about the Robertson

1685
01:10:01,370 --> 01:09:59,640
panel at that that's right that's right

1686
01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:01,380
but but it was very important and what

1687
01:10:06,169 --> 01:10:04,620
it did is they basically said uh there's

1688
01:10:07,310 --> 01:10:06,179
nothing to this they looked at some

1689
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:07,320
amazing evidence but they said oh

1690
01:10:10,490 --> 01:10:08,940
there's nothing to this at all we don't

1691
01:10:12,650 --> 01:10:10,500
see anything extraordinary about it

1692
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,660
exactly what Kirkpatrick was saying last

1693
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:14,640
week and and what the other thing they

1694
01:10:17,810 --> 01:10:16,260
did out of the Robertson panel was they

1695
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:17,820
they completely disemboweled Project

1696
01:10:22,490 --> 01:10:20,940
Blue Book and they made it a non-entity

1697
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:22,500
blue book actually had been halfway

1698
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:25,320
decent during 1952. they had like staff

1699
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,900
of 15 people they were doing

1700
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:29,520
not perfect work but they were doing

1701
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:31,860
pretty good work so Blue Book uh just

1702
01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:34,920
cut out uh of operation and then the

1703
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:36,360
other recommendation of the Robertson

1704
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:37,679
panel and they just took this for

1705
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:40,380
granted because hey they're the CIA was

1706
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,360
that yeah we'll work with major media to

1707
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,640
debunk UFOs in the public and take take

1708
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:47,280
the Mystique away and they they actively

1709
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:50,400
worked to do that so then come the 1960s

1710
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,159
and the UFO you know whoever's operating

1711
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:55,199
the UFOs they don't get the memo that

1712
01:10:59,810 --> 01:10:56,880
they're not supposed to exist so there

1713
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,820
was a huge upsurge in sightings in the

1714
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:01,440
mid-1960s

1715
01:11:07,689 --> 01:11:04,320
and this made the newspapers back then

1716
01:11:11,090 --> 01:11:07,699
we still had kind of a a functioning

1717
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:11,100
uh media press that would report this

1718
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:13,140
and this was a public relations problem

1719
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:15,120
big time the Air Force had lost all

1720
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:17,340
credibility everyone knew the Air Force

1721
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:20,100
lied on UFOs everyone knew and they

1722
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:22,800
started really looking bad and Alan

1723
01:11:26,570 --> 01:11:24,840
heineck goes out with the Michigan case

1724
01:11:28,729 --> 01:11:26,580
and he's talking about swamp gas and

1725
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:28,739
that became a laughing stock and so the

1726
01:11:33,169 --> 01:11:32,100
Air Force and the CIA got out ahead of

1727
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:33,179
this

1728
01:11:39,649 --> 01:11:36,420
and the Air Force selected an academic

1729
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:39,659
institution to do the science and we'll

1730
01:11:43,070 --> 01:11:40,800
we're going to give this to the

1731
01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:43,080
University of Colorado and they're just

1732
01:11:47,209 --> 01:11:45,480
going to settle this and we have nothing

1733
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,219
to do with it it's a totally independent

1734
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:49,920
academic study well we know

1735
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,900
again just like with the Robertson panel

1736
01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:53,760
that the Condon committee as it became

1737
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:54,780
called

1738
01:11:59,689 --> 01:11:57,540
after Edward Condon who ran it that was

1739
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,699
also a rigged game and we know this

1740
01:12:03,290 --> 01:12:01,920
there was never going to be a positive

1741
01:12:05,149 --> 01:12:03,300
conclusion coming from the content

1742
01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:05,159
committee on this they had a mutiny

1743
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,320
Midway through the project where the

1744
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,600
scientists who actually were naive

1745
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:11,040
enough to think oh yeah this is going to

1746
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:12,719
be a legitimate study they started

1747
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:15,600
realizing oh no it isn't and they uh

1748
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:18,000
fired Midway through that's right so

1749
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:19,380
anyway the condom committee does a

1750
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:21,780
report and they throw more cold water

1751
01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:23,640
over UFOs and that works for a little

1752
01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:26,280
while but then the phenomenon keeps

1753
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,120
coming back by the late 1980s people are

1754
01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:33,120
talking now about Roswell that was

1755
01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:35,100
starting to get a lot of traction you

1756
01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:36,840
know Roswell had been forgotten for a

1757
01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:39,060
long long time and then Stan Friedman

1758
01:12:44,990 --> 01:12:41,880
finds Jesse Marcel and he starts talking

1759
01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:45,000
about you know the craft and and then

1760
01:12:50,270 --> 01:12:47,580
other Witnesses come forward and but you

1761
01:12:52,910 --> 01:12:50,280
have in the 1980s is a nice little

1762
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:52,920
Roswell research industry where they're

1763
01:12:57,950 --> 01:12:55,199
I was like Stanton Friedman Don on

1764
01:13:00,649 --> 01:12:57,960
Schmidt Kevin Randall and Don Berliner

1765
01:13:02,030 --> 01:13:00,659
and and other researchers are finding

1766
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,040
these Witnesses and they were getting

1767
01:13:07,010 --> 01:13:04,560
traction and so what does the Air Force

1768
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,020
do once again very intelligently

1769
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:09,600
especially when they go to Steven Schiff

1770
01:13:13,970 --> 01:13:11,580
in New Mexico congressman from New

1771
01:13:15,709 --> 01:13:13,980
Mexico and and they say Hey you know

1772
01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:15,719
this happened in your state don't you

1773
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:16,739
want to know what the hell happened

1774
01:13:20,330 --> 01:13:19,020
there why can't we get records on what

1775
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:20,340
happened at Roswell and schiff's like

1776
01:13:24,530 --> 01:13:22,080
you know what you got a point so he

1777
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,540
starts talking to the general Accounting

1778
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:26,159
Office in Congress

1779
01:13:31,610 --> 01:13:28,920
why them the GAO well it was a smart

1780
01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:31,620
move they look at a lot of uh old

1781
01:13:34,729 --> 01:13:33,000
records

1782
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:34,739
and they said yes we will look at this

1783
01:13:40,250 --> 01:13:37,800
and they met with absolute stonewalling

1784
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,260
by the Air Force that's a whole story

1785
01:13:44,570 --> 01:13:42,480
that I still haven't written but I will

1786
01:13:47,330 --> 01:13:44,580
for for a future book

1787
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,340
and um and the Air Force jumps out ahead

1788
01:13:52,189 --> 01:13:49,440
before the gao's investigation was

1789
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,199
complete the Air Force did their own

1790
01:13:57,290 --> 01:13:54,719
so-called investigation and said oh yeah

1791
01:14:00,050 --> 01:13:57,300
yeah uh we were doing these balloons as

1792
01:14:01,490 --> 01:14:00,060
Mogul balloons which were to test uh

1793
01:14:03,530 --> 01:14:01,500
when the Soviets were going to detonate

1794
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:03,540
a nuclear weapon and and we're pretty

1795
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:05,100
sure that one of those came down and

1796
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:07,020
people got mixed up and I mean it was

1797
01:14:13,070 --> 01:14:11,040
such a ridiculous yeah but they got away

1798
01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:13,080
with it yeah the airport's called

1799
01:14:18,290 --> 01:14:16,260
there's uh uh Roswell case closed yeah

1800
01:14:21,770 --> 01:14:18,300
remember that was the title of the

1801
01:14:25,130 --> 01:14:21,780
report but it worked it did work it did

1802
01:14:27,169 --> 01:14:25,140
work and the GAO they have investigative

1803
01:14:27,970 --> 01:14:27,179
Authority they're the general Accounting

1804
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:27,980
Office

1805
01:14:33,290 --> 01:14:31,320
and completely stonewalled were they

1806
01:14:36,530 --> 01:14:33,300
they have the authority to go after

1807
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,540
Records phone records bills receipts

1808
01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:38,159
it's the general accounting office right

1809
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:40,140
the key records They looked for were

1810
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:41,940
missing uh they wanted to get records

1811
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:44,040
out of Roswell Army Air Base Air Force

1812
01:14:48,110 --> 01:14:45,199
Base

1813
01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:48,120
from the end of 1946 to the beginning of

1814
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:50,520
19 I think 48. just oh just so happened

1815
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:54,120
oh wow they're gone okay destroyed right

1816
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:56,100
destroyed and those are records that

1817
01:14:59,149 --> 01:14:57,540
were supposed to be permanent records

1818
01:15:02,630 --> 01:14:59,159
that were never supposed to be destroyed

1819
01:15:05,870 --> 01:15:02,640
and they were destroyed and and so when

1820
01:15:08,209 --> 01:15:05,880
it comes to nycap uh again yeah back to

1821
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,219
nightcap right that was my well but this

1822
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:10,560
is this is all the the same point in

1823
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:12,000
that

1824
01:15:21,890 --> 01:15:19,199
there with uh the the newer community

1825
01:15:23,090 --> 01:15:21,900
that is involved uh with the UFO

1826
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:23,100
question right now and I welcome

1827
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,560
everybody in all opinions but they think

1828
01:15:29,689 --> 01:15:27,840
that this is all just new stuff that we

1829
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:29,699
are combating all of this for the first

1830
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:31,500
time and this is the first time we are

1831
01:15:37,689 --> 01:15:33,960
trying to lift the veil on UFO secrecy

1832
01:15:40,850 --> 01:15:37,699
and disclosure right

1833
01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:40,860
no no no no no no no no no no no

1834
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,719
this has been going on for decades and

1835
01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:48,000
you look at the efforts of nycap and

1836
01:15:52,669 --> 01:15:50,340
Donald Kehoe deserves the Medal of Honor

1837
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:52,679
because that guy he ran it until the

1838
01:15:56,030 --> 01:15:54,060
wheels fell off the same thing with

1839
01:16:00,189 --> 01:15:56,040
James McDonald literally until the

1840
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:00,199
wheels fell off okay and yes and and

1841
01:16:06,169 --> 01:16:03,840
this is nothing new to us and the

1842
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:06,179
frustration that everybody feels today I

1843
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:09,600
get that but if you do just a little bit

1844
01:16:14,450 --> 01:16:12,000
of a deep dive into the historical

1845
01:16:16,130 --> 01:16:14,460
record you'll see that all of this has

1846
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,140
been done before

1847
01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:18,719
well we're we're dealing with the fact

1848
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:20,340
that we really don't we don't control

1849
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:22,860
our government you know we we this is a

1850
01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:24,239
nice story we'd like to tell ourselves

1851
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,219
it was how the United States was founded

1852
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:28,080
on this principle that you know

1853
01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:29,640
government is responsible to the people

1854
01:16:33,950 --> 01:16:31,380
it's an amazing idea

1855
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,960
but the problem happened that the this

1856
01:16:37,610 --> 01:16:36,000
Republic became an Empire and when you

1857
01:16:40,189 --> 01:16:37,620
become an Empire you can't really listen

1858
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:40,199
to the people and that's but you can't

1859
01:16:44,689 --> 01:16:41,940
tell the people that you're an Empire so

1860
01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:44,699
you have to just play the same game and

1861
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:46,260
so what you have is essentially

1862
01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:48,420
gaslighting year after year and people

1863
01:16:52,250 --> 01:16:50,940
they kind of know they're being gaslit

1864
01:16:53,689 --> 01:16:52,260
they kind of know that they don't really

1865
01:16:55,970 --> 01:16:53,699
have the country that they're told they

1866
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:55,980
have but there's no official recognition

1867
01:16:59,149 --> 01:16:57,840
of it we go through these charades of

1868
01:17:01,130 --> 01:16:59,159
the elections every every couple of

1869
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:01,140
years and so we think that we've we've

1870
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:02,940
got some control over the system but I'm

1871
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:04,560
telling you we don't have control over

1872
01:17:09,709 --> 01:17:07,679
this system we don't and and it's it

1873
01:17:11,930 --> 01:17:09,719
just gets worse as with each passing

1874
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:11,940
year because that is the nature of how

1875
01:17:18,110 --> 01:17:14,840
this this particular Empire is going

1876
01:17:21,070 --> 01:17:18,120
uh and it it cannot be honest it is

1877
01:17:23,810 --> 01:17:21,080
incapable of being honest and the UFO

1878
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,820
phenomenon is

1879
01:17:28,850 --> 01:17:26,159
potentially probably

1880
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,860
definitely the most explosive of all the

1881
01:17:32,770 --> 01:17:30,480
secrets that it's hiding

1882
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:32,780
no because

1883
01:17:38,030 --> 01:17:35,760
okay I just interrupted you well I had

1884
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:38,040
to do it at least once okay so we got

1885
01:17:42,649 --> 01:17:39,960
that out of the way Richard

1886
01:17:45,890 --> 01:17:42,659
um but what did you staying on point

1887
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,900
um what did you make of uh Kirkpatrick's

1888
01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:47,040
comment

1889
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:49,260
uh because he was kind of talking out of

1890
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:50,880
both sides of his mouth where he said

1891
01:17:55,729 --> 01:17:53,760
well you know it's not yeah but you know

1892
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,739
we're looking at our partners like NASA

1893
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:57,600
to see what they've got to put on the

1894
01:18:00,490 --> 01:17:59,040
table it's like yeah wait wait wait wait

1895
01:18:03,770 --> 01:18:00,500
wait wait wait wait wait wait

1896
01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:03,780
and I I thought that that a came out of

1897
01:18:08,450 --> 01:18:06,780
nowhere either you're looking at ten

1898
01:18:11,149 --> 01:18:08,460
thousand to thirty thousand feet which

1899
01:18:13,790 --> 01:18:11,159
is what he said he also said one to four

1900
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:13,800
meters which was a weird number to throw

1901
01:18:18,770 --> 01:18:17,040
out there as well and then he wants to

1902
01:18:20,510 --> 01:18:18,780
wrap it up with well you know we're

1903
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:20,520
looking at Nasa to see what kind of data

1904
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:22,560
they've got what did you make of that

1905
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:24,360
yeah

1906
01:18:27,410 --> 01:18:26,159
by the way I thought I was on point but

1907
01:18:29,930 --> 01:18:27,420
anyway let's just keep going back to

1908
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:29,940
Kirkpatrick so

1909
01:18:39,169 --> 01:18:36,649
um but uh yeah the fact that he brought

1910
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:39,179
NASA in that

1911
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:40,800
I guess it shouldn't have caught me off

1912
01:18:44,689 --> 01:18:42,600
guard but it did a little bit I thought

1913
01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:44,699
why is he talking about NASA like who

1914
01:18:49,550 --> 01:18:46,620
cares about NASA really like where does

1915
01:18:52,370 --> 01:18:49,560
where does NASA rate so highly but but

1916
01:18:54,590 --> 01:18:52,380
basically I think he's he he doesn't

1917
01:18:56,090 --> 01:18:54,600
want sole responsibility for this

1918
01:18:58,130 --> 01:18:56,100
problem this is what I think so he's

1919
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,140
like yeah we got NASA over here they're

1920
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:00,000
part of this too don't just yell at me

1921
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:02,400
they're part of it we're partnering with

1922
01:19:06,590 --> 01:19:03,540
them

1923
01:19:09,050 --> 01:19:06,600
so uh I thought the most disingenuous

1924
01:19:12,110 --> 01:19:09,060
thing about that actually was when he

1925
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,120
said well if we conclude that this is

1926
01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:14,400
genuinely like extraterrestrial I think

1927
01:19:18,169 --> 01:19:15,900
he may have said that

1928
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:18,179
which I'm thinking dude you are never

1929
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,260
going to conclude that this is

1930
01:19:22,970 --> 01:19:21,600
extraterrestrial don't don't don't pee

1931
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:22,980
on my leg and tell me it's raining like

1932
01:19:27,050 --> 01:19:24,960
we know that they're never going to do

1933
01:19:28,669 --> 01:19:27,060
that but he said well if we if we come

1934
01:19:30,770 --> 01:19:28,679
to this conclusion we will partner with

1935
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,780
NASA and

1936
01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:32,640
did he say I think he said we will

1937
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:35,580
jointly brief the he didn't even say the

1938
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:36,480
president

1939
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,920
I think he just said like the

1940
01:19:40,990 --> 01:19:39,360
responsible officials in the federal

1941
01:19:44,510 --> 01:19:41,000
yeah yeah

1942
01:19:46,610 --> 01:19:44,520
right so uh and then why why are you

1943
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,620
sharing this with NASA like where when

1944
01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:48,480
did this become NASA's job this is your

1945
01:19:53,630 --> 01:19:49,380
job

1946
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:53,640
phenomenon and you're supposed to figure

1947
01:19:58,729 --> 01:19:55,560
this out actually

1948
01:20:00,410 --> 01:19:58,739
the other thing in terms of Partners

1949
01:20:03,229 --> 01:20:00,420
the most interesting thing about that

1950
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:03,239
that I did not know before is that he

1951
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,960
said

1952
01:20:07,250 --> 01:20:06,000
this is actually interesting to me this

1953
01:20:09,229 --> 01:20:07,260
is the most interesting thing he was

1954
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:09,239
saying he was talking about how the how

1955
01:20:12,830 --> 01:20:11,400
the arrow organization was structured he

1956
01:20:14,990 --> 01:20:12,840
said we have red team and blue team you

1957
01:20:17,330 --> 01:20:15,000
remember this is like so one team is

1958
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:17,340
basically scientists and Engineers like

1959
01:20:21,470 --> 01:20:19,620
you know the gear heads and the the

1960
01:20:22,970 --> 01:20:21,480
smart guys like figuring this out and

1961
01:20:24,050 --> 01:20:22,980
then the other group is the intelligence

1962
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,060
guys

1963
01:20:27,890 --> 01:20:25,920
and so he said we're going to give them

1964
01:20:30,169 --> 01:20:27,900
their reports uh each the same report

1965
01:20:32,990 --> 01:20:30,179
and they're gonna each come to their

1966
01:20:34,910 --> 01:20:33,000
conclusions and uh I think he implied

1967
01:20:37,550 --> 01:20:34,920
that he would adjudicate or it would be

1968
01:20:39,770 --> 01:20:37,560
adjudicated somehow and then what he

1969
01:20:42,290 --> 01:20:39,780
said this was interesting that

1970
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:42,300
conclusion would go to another Advisory

1971
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:45,120
Group that he did not name

1972
01:20:50,270 --> 01:20:48,239
and he said these are

1973
01:20:52,910 --> 01:20:50,280
and and while he was saying that I'm

1974
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:52,920
looking at him thinking this is you're

1975
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:55,199
getting very fuzzy here he was getting

1976
01:20:59,570 --> 01:20:56,880
fuzzy he basically said these were

1977
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:59,580
retired intelligence and military people

1978
01:21:03,890 --> 01:21:01,920
but he didn't say who they were he

1979
01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:03,900
didn't say what they were he said though

1980
01:21:09,649 --> 01:21:06,840
that this report is going to go to them

1981
01:21:11,570 --> 01:21:09,659
and they will comment on it and then

1982
01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:11,580
send it back to him and then he said and

1983
01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:13,560
then I will make my determination one

1984
01:21:17,570 --> 01:21:15,719
way or the other and I'm thinking who

1985
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:17,580
are these people it's just very

1986
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:18,719
interesting I'm not saying it's

1987
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,360
necessarily nefarious I don't know that

1988
01:21:25,490 --> 01:21:23,040
it is but

1989
01:21:27,770 --> 01:21:25,500
he throws that little thing out there

1990
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:27,780
and I'm thinking I'd like to know who

1991
01:21:32,090 --> 01:21:29,040
these people are

1992
01:21:35,209 --> 01:21:32,100
how how are how are they rating what's

1993
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:35,219
their situation who are they what is

1994
01:21:38,030 --> 01:21:36,360
their

1995
01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:38,040
what's the you know what are they about

1996
01:21:42,290 --> 01:21:39,900
and we don't know and I thought that was

1997
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:42,300
just a little interesting thing but but

1998
01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:44,340
here's the tie-in and this is why I

1999
01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:46,260
brought it up at the end of your last

2000
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:50,460
comment it's it's history repeating

2001
01:21:55,370 --> 01:21:52,980
itself where Condon tried to make it

2002
01:21:58,669 --> 01:21:55,380
about the science Robertson tried to

2003
01:22:00,770 --> 01:21:58,679
make it about the science and and tried

2004
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,780
to you know try to make it the planet

2005
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,880
Venus tried to you know come up with

2006
01:22:07,010 --> 01:22:04,560
they're hiding behind signs is really

2007
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:07,020
what they're doing right which is which

2008
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:09,840
is what Kirkpatrick apparently is is

2009
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,420
trying to do here too as well again like

2010
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:14,880
he said make it somebody else's problem

2011
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:17,280
and it's I just find that completely

2012
01:22:22,370 --> 01:22:18,800
fascinating

2013
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,380
oh sorry but then he you just said you

2014
01:22:28,630 --> 01:22:24,480
wanted to know who this right who the

2015
01:22:30,830 --> 01:22:28,640
senior level thing is and then he he

2016
01:22:33,050 --> 01:22:30,840
washes through

2017
01:22:36,530 --> 01:22:33,060
over and I'm going to quote him here

2018
01:22:38,930 --> 01:22:36,540
over two dozen Witnesses right so they

2019
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,940
brought in over two dozen Witnesses oh

2020
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:41,040
the whistleblowers yes and does it

2021
01:22:46,370 --> 01:22:45,000
mention any specific cases no uh what

2022
01:22:49,209 --> 01:22:46,380
they were talking about what they were

2023
01:22:52,490 --> 01:22:49,219
and then he called it an investigation

2024
01:22:55,370 --> 01:22:52,500
that that was his words right so he

2025
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,380
brought in these the the over two dozen

2026
01:23:00,590 --> 01:22:57,960
Witnesses for an investigation but

2027
01:23:04,250 --> 01:23:00,600
doesn't State anything and Jilla Brandon

2028
01:23:06,830 --> 01:23:04,260
Ernst just let that go well what what

2029
01:23:08,330 --> 01:23:06,840
and they were running out of time by

2030
01:23:10,970 --> 01:23:08,340
then gillibrand was the one who brought

2031
01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:10,980
up the whole whistleblower thing I mean

2032
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:12,540
that was one thing that she seemed to be

2033
01:23:19,130 --> 01:23:15,120
interested in what could I make one more

2034
01:23:21,610 --> 01:23:19,140
comment and then in that then gillibrand

2035
01:23:27,709 --> 01:23:21,620
reveals that

2036
01:23:29,709 --> 01:23:27,719
brand that gave him the witnesses

2037
01:23:32,270 --> 01:23:29,719
and General brand doesn't say anything

2038
01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:32,280
and and she said well you know we're

2039
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:34,440
going to bring you some more and uh you

2040
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:37,260
know we're we're working on that and he

2041
01:23:41,090 --> 01:23:38,760
said that they really didn't have the

2042
01:23:42,530 --> 01:23:41,100
staff right to do a full investigation

2043
01:23:43,970 --> 01:23:42,540
of everything I'm saying that Jilla

2044
01:23:45,530 --> 01:23:43,980
brand gave him the witnesses I thought

2045
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:45,540
what he said is that it was her

2046
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,840
amendment that that prompted the

2047
01:23:53,689 --> 01:23:50,400
witnesses I didn't know that he said

2048
01:23:56,209 --> 01:23:53,699
gillibrand was sending him the witnesses

2049
01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:56,219
perhaps maybe they came to gillibrand

2050
01:24:00,490 --> 01:23:58,500
first and then she directed them to the

2051
01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:00,500
arrow office

2052
01:24:04,010 --> 01:24:02,760
you could go back and watch it again I

2053
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,020
don't know if I read it that way or

2054
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:06,480
heard it because I did hear that

2055
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:08,640
exchange but maybe I didn't interpret it

2056
01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:10,920
that way so that's interesting maybe

2057
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,020
that's what he meant what I what I

2058
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:15,360
gathered from his statement was that he

2059
01:24:20,270 --> 01:24:17,640
wasn't too enamored of the witnesses

2060
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,280
maybe that's just my reading of it but I

2061
01:24:24,770 --> 01:24:21,840
I thought he

2062
01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:24,780
he like then he did say this little Sly

2063
01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:26,940
thing where it's like in the future I

2064
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:28,440
think we need to have a way to

2065
01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:30,780
prioritize the witnesses

2066
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,480
and I just got the impression that he

2067
01:24:37,850 --> 01:24:34,800
was

2068
01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:37,860
time with some of those Witnesses that's

2069
01:24:42,649 --> 01:24:40,500
the impression that I got from listening

2070
01:24:44,270 --> 01:24:42,659
to him he didn't seem to be too

2071
01:24:46,669 --> 01:24:44,280
he didn't seem to be excited about any

2072
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:46,679
of this no he did not the witnesses and

2073
01:24:51,229 --> 01:24:49,260
not the cases not really anything well I

2074
01:24:53,689 --> 01:24:51,239
you know and I'm wondering was it you

2075
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:53,699
know was it Robert Salas you know what

2076
01:24:58,630 --> 01:24:55,800
you know was it John Burroughs you know

2077
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:58,640
who who oh right right

2078
01:25:03,950 --> 01:25:01,920
yeah exactly well I don't know because

2079
01:25:06,649 --> 01:25:03,960
they they don't need whistleblower

2080
01:25:08,450 --> 01:25:06,659
protection I mean they're all public

2081
01:25:10,189 --> 01:25:08,460
they're all out there you know everyone

2082
01:25:11,890 --> 01:25:10,199
knows Robert sounds historian and John

2083
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:11,900
Burroughs the story is very well known

2084
01:25:16,010 --> 01:25:14,820
so I would think that

2085
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:16,020
you know the whole point of The

2086
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:18,300
Whistleblower would be the protection

2087
01:25:22,010 --> 01:25:20,580
aspect of it would be to protect those

2088
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,020
people now one one important thing about

2089
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:24,239
The Whistleblower thing that I think we

2090
01:25:28,370 --> 01:25:26,760
should mention here is that

2091
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:28,380
a whistleblower doesn't mean that

2092
01:25:33,530 --> 01:25:30,300
they're able to go public with what they

2093
01:25:36,169 --> 01:25:33,540
say they are they are protected to speak

2094
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:36,179
to the arrow program by the way Arrow

2095
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:38,280
stands for all domain anomaly resolution

2096
01:25:44,930 --> 01:25:40,800
office so this is the UFO office and

2097
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,940
they are protected within that context I

2098
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:46,320
don't think that they're protected to go

2099
01:25:51,169 --> 01:25:49,199
public with their UFO stories

2100
01:25:54,290 --> 01:25:51,179
I don't I don't see anything in there

2101
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,300
that that indicates that the the public

2102
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:56,159
is going to have access to that stuff

2103
01:26:01,070 --> 01:25:59,280
but yeah that the but the program will

2104
01:26:03,709 --> 01:26:01,080
have access to it so those

2105
01:26:05,090 --> 01:26:03,719
whistleblowers will have protection if

2106
01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:05,100
they go

2107
01:26:09,890 --> 01:26:06,600
to him because you know a lot of the

2108
01:26:11,390 --> 01:26:09,900
people who are under ndas you know they

2109
01:26:12,350 --> 01:26:11,400
can't even talk to other people in the

2110
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:12,360
military

2111
01:26:18,649 --> 01:26:16,800
right so I think this this uh clause in

2112
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:18,659
the laws meant

2113
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,880
to give them protection I don't yeah I

2114
01:26:25,310 --> 01:26:22,560
really wonder

2115
01:26:28,189 --> 01:26:25,320
is it really is it effective law is it

2116
01:26:30,649 --> 01:26:28,199
really going to work I mean I I don't

2117
01:26:32,990 --> 01:26:30,659
know I'm not in that world I don't know

2118
01:26:34,430 --> 01:26:33,000
if like if I've if you're in a special

2119
01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:34,440
Access program if you're in something

2120
01:26:38,330 --> 01:26:36,780
like described by by Eric Davis in his

2121
01:26:41,390 --> 01:26:38,340
nose with Thomas Wilson you know some

2122
01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:41,400
some reverse engineering program uh out

2123
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:44,100
of Lockheed or Boeing or who knows where

2124
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:46,560
would this whistleblower Protection Law

2125
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:48,360
give you sufficient

2126
01:26:53,209 --> 01:26:49,679
cover

2127
01:26:55,550 --> 01:26:53,219
just to speak yeah actually I really

2128
01:26:57,890 --> 01:26:55,560
wonder I really wonder somebody that's

2129
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:57,900
on the bigot list right your name's on

2130
01:27:02,990 --> 01:27:00,080
the big you know you you've you've

2131
01:27:04,610 --> 01:27:03,000
passed muster right you're in the you're

2132
01:27:07,729 --> 01:27:04,620
in the boys club

2133
01:27:10,250 --> 01:27:07,739
uh uh would they even if they were

2134
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:10,260
protected Richard would they step out of

2135
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,040
line

2136
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:13,199
and no they won't they almost none of

2137
01:27:17,689 --> 01:27:15,480
them will right right right but he's

2138
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,699
saying he got 25 so apparently some

2139
01:27:20,810 --> 01:27:19,440
people are coming forward so and that's

2140
01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:20,820
good look you want them to come forward

2141
01:27:23,930 --> 01:27:22,860
it would be nicer if they could go

2142
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,940
public

2143
01:27:28,189 --> 01:27:25,440
if we could hear their stories but

2144
01:27:30,530 --> 01:27:28,199
that's so yeah it's he's her 25

2145
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,540
whistleblower stories basically I think

2146
01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:33,120
uh and and we only learned about it

2147
01:27:37,610 --> 01:27:34,920
through the hearing we you know I did

2148
01:27:39,890 --> 01:27:37,620
not know that I didn't know no no caught

2149
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:39,900
me by surprise and I know who they are

2150
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:42,960
what their stories are and so apparently

2151
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:47,159
now I'm just saying just based on his uh

2152
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:51,120
statements and testimony that he said

2153
01:27:57,229 --> 01:27:54,780
none of this defies the laws of physics

2154
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:57,239
right that's a quote

2155
01:28:01,850 --> 01:27:59,760
in a sense nothing defies the laws of

2156
01:28:04,510 --> 01:28:01,860
physics we we just don't always know all

2157
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:04,520
the laws maybe but

2158
01:28:10,729 --> 01:28:08,400
if it happens if anything happens it by

2159
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:10,739
definition must be within the realm of

2160
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:14,159
the law of physics it's true I suppose

2161
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,000
yes it just disappeared yeah okay all

2162
01:28:21,950 --> 01:28:19,920
right so there's laws of physics we

2163
01:28:24,110 --> 01:28:21,960
don't know yet it's but it's so

2164
01:28:25,250 --> 01:28:24,120
nothing's being broken but here's the

2165
01:28:26,810 --> 01:28:25,260
thing

2166
01:28:28,450 --> 01:28:26,820
um apparently he didn't talk to somebody

2167
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:28,460
like David Traver

2168
01:28:36,290 --> 01:28:33,120
where his description of uh what he

2169
01:28:39,290 --> 01:28:36,300
witnessed not only uh from the sensor

2170
01:28:41,689 --> 01:28:39,300
data you know from 80 000 feet to sea

2171
01:28:43,729 --> 01:28:41,699
level in in a fraction of a second I

2172
01:28:45,850 --> 01:28:43,739
would say that that's that's going

2173
01:28:49,129 --> 01:28:45,860
against the grain of what we understand

2174
01:28:52,250 --> 01:28:49,139
as humans at this point in our Evolution

2175
01:28:54,649 --> 01:28:52,260
there's that and so if he was hearing

2176
01:28:57,290 --> 01:28:54,659
from somebody like fravor then he

2177
01:28:58,850 --> 01:28:57,300
couldn't make that statement I agree

2178
01:29:01,010 --> 01:28:58,860
with you I agree with you I think the

2179
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:01,020
USS Nimitz Tic Tac case

2180
01:29:05,810 --> 01:29:04,080
that's a hell of a case and we're lucky

2181
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,820
to have it we're lucky to have it

2182
01:29:10,129 --> 01:29:07,679
because even when you compare it to

2183
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:10,139
other UFO cases of the past like the

2184
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:13,679
Nimitz case is a great case when it's

2185
01:29:18,830 --> 01:29:16,320
got all the things that you want in an

2186
01:29:20,030 --> 01:29:18,840
amazing UFO case you've got lots of

2187
01:29:21,770 --> 01:29:20,040
witnesses

2188
01:29:24,350 --> 01:29:21,780
like from different perspectives not

2189
01:29:25,850 --> 01:29:24,360
just forever but uh you know other other

2190
01:29:28,610 --> 01:29:25,860
people in the aircraft have talked about

2191
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:28,620
this now you got Kevin day operating the

2192
01:29:32,510 --> 01:29:30,719
radar and there are a number of other

2193
01:29:34,129 --> 01:29:32,520
individuals as well who've gone on the

2194
01:29:35,570 --> 01:29:34,139
record to talk about this so there's

2195
01:29:39,229 --> 01:29:35,580
lots of witnesses

2196
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:39,239
and you've got favors and outstanding

2197
01:29:45,229 --> 01:29:43,679
eyewitness uh you know to everything how

2198
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:45,239
much more of a qualified witness do you

2199
01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:46,440
want than him

2200
01:29:51,709 --> 01:29:49,560
and when you estimate he talked about

2201
01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:51,719
his line of sight when that thing took

2202
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:54,780
off and I he said I think he said he had

2203
01:30:01,610 --> 01:29:59,040
10 miles visibility easy but actually he

2204
01:30:03,649 --> 01:30:01,620
then said realistically you say more

2205
01:30:05,390 --> 01:30:03,659
like 50 miles visibility and he said

2206
01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:05,400
this thing was out of his line of sight

2207
01:30:10,129 --> 01:30:07,860
in two seconds so by even 10 mile

2208
01:30:11,689 --> 01:30:10,139
visibility you're talking like nine ten

2209
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:11,699
thousand miles per I figured out one day

2210
01:30:14,450 --> 01:30:12,960
it was like about ten thousand miles per

2211
01:30:16,490 --> 01:30:14,460
hour

2212
01:30:18,110 --> 01:30:16,500
and if it's a 50 mile visibility then

2213
01:30:20,810 --> 01:30:18,120
multiply by five

2214
01:30:23,570 --> 01:30:20,820
but accordingly Patrick according to

2215
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:23,580
Kirkpatrick that's that's that's that's

2216
01:30:28,669 --> 01:30:26,400
that's we understand that you know and

2217
01:30:30,290 --> 01:30:28,679
it has to be well maybe maybe we do

2218
01:30:32,090 --> 01:30:30,300
understand it I mean there are

2219
01:30:35,209 --> 01:30:32,100
theoretical

2220
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:35,219
uh means by which we can understand that

2221
01:30:38,689 --> 01:30:36,719
that

2222
01:30:41,209 --> 01:30:38,699
the propulsion of the Tic Tac UFO I

2223
01:30:42,649 --> 01:30:41,219
listen to that pretty cool uh

2224
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:42,659
explanation I have to say a few years

2225
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:45,360
ago by Jack sarfati some people think

2226
01:30:48,890 --> 01:30:46,800
he's full of it I know him and Eric

2227
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:48,900
Davis love to fight each other but hey

2228
01:30:52,450 --> 01:30:50,760
sarfati had a really interesting theory

2229
01:30:55,250 --> 01:30:52,460
about how the Tic Tac

2230
01:30:58,010 --> 01:30:55,260
might do what it it does he talked about

2231
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:58,020
it in terms of the metamaterial thinking

2232
01:31:01,250 --> 01:30:59,760
if you've got a meta material around the

2233
01:31:02,590 --> 01:31:01,260
skin of that thing it might be able to

2234
01:31:04,729 --> 01:31:02,600
slow the speed of light down

2235
01:31:06,169 --> 01:31:04,739
sufficiently and if you if you slow down

2236
01:31:10,250 --> 01:31:06,179
the speed of light you're changing the

2237
01:31:13,490 --> 01:31:10,260
physics of of basically creating an alko

2238
01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:13,500
beer uh bubble around your craft I mean

2239
01:31:17,090 --> 01:31:14,880
I don't mean to be

2240
01:31:19,370 --> 01:31:17,100
what the hell do I know I I don't do the

2241
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,380
math that Miguel Kabir did but what he

2242
01:31:23,870 --> 01:31:21,360
did in the 1990s is came up with the

2243
01:31:25,370 --> 01:31:23,880
physics of warp tribe basically and it's

2244
01:31:28,669 --> 01:31:25,380
true like you can create a warp field

2245
01:31:30,890 --> 01:31:28,679
around a craft the problem with that is

2246
01:31:33,290 --> 01:31:30,900
that the amount of energy that it would

2247
01:31:35,330 --> 01:31:33,300
take to create such a field by which you

2248
01:31:37,310 --> 01:31:35,340
could in a sense defeat the speed of

2249
01:31:39,890 --> 01:31:37,320
light and practice your warping space

2250
01:31:41,629 --> 01:31:39,900
the amount of energy was so great I

2251
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:41,639
think it was like more than the amount

2252
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:44,880
of the universe yeah but what sarfati

2253
01:31:50,810 --> 01:31:48,480
said is I said no there's a trick if you

2254
01:31:53,090 --> 01:31:50,820
change the equation and the speed of

2255
01:31:55,010 --> 01:31:53,100
light is a big part of that equation and

2256
01:31:55,850 --> 01:31:55,020
he said if you slow down the speed of

2257
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:55,860
light

2258
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,080
you can do it he said maybe a AAA

2259
01:32:01,910 --> 01:32:00,239
Battery might be all you need

2260
01:32:04,570 --> 01:32:01,920
I mean you might have been facetious but

2261
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:04,580
the point is there are theoretical

2262
01:32:09,410 --> 01:32:07,199
possibilities even if that's not the

2263
01:32:10,910 --> 01:32:09,420
case maybe something else and

2264
01:32:12,350 --> 01:32:10,920
Kirkpatrick could easily be you know

2265
01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:12,360
they're doing all their lawyerly

2266
01:32:16,430 --> 01:32:14,880
speaking are they like he's like this

2267
01:32:18,050 --> 01:32:16,440
did not violate the known laws of

2268
01:32:20,209 --> 01:32:18,060
physics well yeah right it doesn't

2269
01:32:23,090 --> 01:32:20,219
violate the fault laws of physics

2270
01:32:25,250 --> 01:32:23,100
it can't by definition it is impossible

2271
01:32:28,370 --> 01:32:25,260
to violate the laws of physics

2272
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:28,380
it is literally an impossibility to

2273
01:32:33,530 --> 01:32:30,480
violate the laws of physics or else it

2274
01:32:36,110 --> 01:32:33,540
wouldn't be a law so there's that but

2275
01:32:38,090 --> 01:32:36,120
then it's entirely possible that they

2276
01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:38,100
know how these things work that's

2277
01:32:41,570 --> 01:32:39,540
entirely possible they may not be able

2278
01:32:44,689 --> 01:32:41,580
to duplicate it because our Material

2279
01:32:45,890 --> 01:32:44,699
Science may not be there but they may

2280
01:32:48,530 --> 01:32:45,900
have a pretty good handle at this point

2281
01:32:51,649 --> 01:32:48,540
on how to swear I mean help Paul Hill

2282
01:32:53,090 --> 01:32:51,659
uh 30 years ago practically published a

2283
01:32:55,729 --> 01:32:53,100
book called unconventional flying

2284
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:55,739
objects Paul hill was a NASA scientist

2285
01:33:01,729 --> 01:32:58,159
and this book was published posthumously

2286
01:33:04,910 --> 01:33:01,739
in the 90s and he laid out he did an

2287
01:33:06,649 --> 01:33:04,920
amazing job of discussing the probable

2288
01:33:08,510 --> 01:33:06,659
physics of flying saucers and how they

2289
01:33:10,189 --> 01:33:08,520
do what they do and he didn't answer

2290
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:10,199
every single question but he answered a

2291
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:11,040
lot

2292
01:33:16,669 --> 01:33:15,120
a feeling in the black budget World

2293
01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:16,679
they've got a pretty decent handle on

2294
01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:17,460
this

2295
01:33:24,530 --> 01:33:20,760
well I don't want to inflame our sarfati

2296
01:33:30,169 --> 01:33:24,540
uh chat group uh which is is very easy

2297
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:30,179
to do but I'll say this uh Jack

2298
01:33:36,770 --> 01:33:33,600
um he's not afraid to think outside of

2299
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:36,780
the box and I will always commend him

2300
01:33:42,050 --> 01:33:40,320
for that he does not lock himself in uh

2301
01:33:45,229 --> 01:33:42,060
when it comes to physics he's a very

2302
01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:45,239
smart guy but

2303
01:33:51,229 --> 01:33:48,060
I just want some of that weed because he

2304
01:33:55,610 --> 01:33:53,570
it's our body's got the he's got the

2305
01:33:57,410 --> 01:33:55,620
bionic weed that's all I've got to say

2306
01:34:00,229 --> 01:33:57,420
okay so

2307
01:34:03,050 --> 01:34:00,239
um one last thing I want to get into man

2308
01:34:05,930 --> 01:34:03,060
that I I can already see the chat

2309
01:34:07,550 --> 01:34:05,940
uh I can already see they want you to

2310
01:34:09,770 --> 01:34:07,560
get political which you're refusing to

2311
01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:09,780
do by the way no I I will not do that so

2312
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:11,400
you know that's still no you will not do

2313
01:34:14,290 --> 01:34:13,080
that that's the only thing wrong with

2314
01:34:19,370 --> 01:34:14,300
that chat group

2315
01:34:21,229 --> 01:34:19,380
is is it gets way too political when it

2316
01:34:22,669 --> 01:34:21,239
doesn't need to it just doesn't need to

2317
01:34:27,070 --> 01:34:22,679
sometimes it does need to though

2318
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:27,080
sometimes it does need to yeah yeah okay

2319
01:34:31,930 --> 01:34:29,340
I get it I get it you're trying to keep

2320
01:34:35,090 --> 01:34:31,940
everyone happy yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

2321
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:35,100
I'm tired of that I think I'm one year

2322
01:34:39,530 --> 01:34:36,719
older than you so I'm I'm one of your

2323
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:39,540
crotch more crotch yeah yeah yeah I

2324
01:34:44,450 --> 01:34:41,040
don't care as much anymore

2325
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:44,460
I'm I'm caring less I'll say that you're

2326
01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:46,320
influencing me

2327
01:34:52,490 --> 01:34:50,460
um but uh let me let me just show your

2328
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:52,500
rules so it's good Let Me Tell well and

2329
01:34:57,649 --> 01:34:54,960
I'm gonna do that right now over the

2330
01:35:00,649 --> 01:34:57,659
weekend and it was on Saturday

2331
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:00,659
um I saw one of the craziest

2332
01:35:06,470 --> 01:35:03,840
uh news stories that broke into uh the

2333
01:35:09,530 --> 01:35:06,480
national media it hasn't stopped and

2334
01:35:12,010 --> 01:35:09,540
that is cattle mutilations

2335
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:12,020
uh happening in Texas

2336
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:15,060
and when I saw it now it was one of

2337
01:35:18,890 --> 01:35:16,800
those moments Richard right I'm like

2338
01:35:21,229 --> 01:35:18,900
walking through the house I mean my

2339
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:21,239
boxers and my slippers right and I've

2340
01:35:25,370 --> 01:35:23,280
got my phone out and I was like what

2341
01:35:27,410 --> 01:35:25,380
that doesn't is that what that says

2342
01:35:28,149 --> 01:35:27,420
click

2343
01:35:32,209 --> 01:35:28,159
um

2344
01:35:36,169 --> 01:35:32,219
six mutilated cattle along a highway

2345
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:36,179
from six different herds six different

2346
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:38,639
pastures

2347
01:35:42,410 --> 01:35:39,840
um all

2348
01:35:43,550 --> 01:35:42,420
it it looks like Linda Moulton Howe

2349
01:35:47,330 --> 01:35:43,560
wrote this article

2350
01:35:50,450 --> 01:35:47,340
all of them had their tongues cut out

2351
01:35:51,770 --> 01:35:50,460
their face peeled back with surgical

2352
01:35:54,410 --> 01:35:51,780
precision

2353
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:54,420
had their butts removed

2354
01:36:00,050 --> 01:35:58,980
right uh their anus removed and are you

2355
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:00,060
ready

2356
01:36:07,250 --> 01:36:02,400
no blood

2357
01:36:12,610 --> 01:36:07,260
no tire tracks no footprints

2358
01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:16,850
this is CNN man this is Fox CNN covered

2359
01:36:23,110 --> 01:36:19,320
this oh

2360
01:36:25,970 --> 01:36:23,120
and uh look it up look it up look it up

2361
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:25,980
and they're still following up and and

2362
01:36:30,410 --> 01:36:28,800
then at the end of the article so you're

2363
01:36:33,050 --> 01:36:30,420
saying that you didn't you didn't you

2364
01:36:35,649 --> 01:36:33,060
didn't know oh I needed your opinion on

2365
01:36:38,810 --> 01:36:35,659
this because at the end of the article

2366
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:38,820
uh they also State and the quotes from

2367
01:36:44,510 --> 01:36:42,000
the sheriff's department and other quote

2368
01:36:46,490 --> 01:36:44,520
agencies by the way chimed into as well

2369
01:36:50,090 --> 01:36:46,500
we're gonna get my fresh hot take on it

2370
01:36:51,070 --> 01:36:50,100
so you guys it said that this is a

2371
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:51,080
national

2372
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:54,000
situation that there are other

2373
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,470
I think relations have never stopped

2374
01:37:07,310 --> 01:37:05,280
happening so what's interesting is that

2375
01:37:08,510 --> 01:37:07,320
this is getting coverage here I thought

2376
01:37:10,189 --> 01:37:08,520
you were going to go with all Tucker

2377
01:37:12,530 --> 01:37:10,199
Carlson because that was his last

2378
01:37:15,950 --> 01:37:12,540
because he's into UFOs as everyone knows

2379
01:37:19,310 --> 01:37:15,960
and I I was informed

2380
01:37:21,110 --> 01:37:19,320
that his last kind of special was on

2381
01:37:22,850 --> 01:37:21,120
cattle mutilations

2382
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:22,860
and then you know the next thing you

2383
01:37:27,229 --> 01:37:24,719
hear is like he's been he's been axed by

2384
01:37:29,149 --> 01:37:27,239
Fox and I have someone writing to me

2385
01:37:31,129 --> 01:37:29,159
who's quite insistent and he could be

2386
01:37:32,750 --> 01:37:31,139
right that that was maybe one reason

2387
01:37:34,910 --> 01:37:32,760
behind it I think there's a lot of

2388
01:37:36,169 --> 01:37:34,920
reasons behind that up on with Tucker

2389
01:37:37,490 --> 01:37:36,179
Carlson but

2390
01:37:39,229 --> 01:37:37,500
I thought you were going to go there

2391
01:37:41,629 --> 01:37:39,239
since you mentioned mutilations and I do

2392
01:37:43,550 --> 01:37:41,639
know that that was one of the final

2393
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:43,560
projects that he was doing

2394
01:37:48,890 --> 01:37:47,520
yeah so I've got uh I've got the article

2395
01:37:50,090 --> 01:37:48,900
here I'm gonna you're not going you're

2396
01:37:52,510 --> 01:37:50,100
not doing the Tucker thing you're going

2397
01:37:56,570 --> 01:37:52,520
to do the uh

2398
01:37:58,910 --> 01:37:56,580
well I'm gonna do the Jimmy's mind was

2399
01:38:01,490 --> 01:37:58,920
completely blown it didn't

2400
01:38:03,950 --> 01:38:01,500
it just didn't compute okay I popped

2401
01:38:06,350 --> 01:38:03,960
this up in the chat everybody here is

2402
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:06,360
one of the articles in the National

2403
01:38:11,870 --> 01:38:09,600
media uh Richard you can follow up on

2404
01:38:15,290 --> 01:38:11,880
that too there it is in the comments

2405
01:38:17,890 --> 01:38:15,300
here is there we go yeah yeah and it

2406
01:38:20,510 --> 01:38:17,900
says six cows in Texas

2407
01:38:22,490 --> 01:38:20,520
yeah you've got to work hard I'm a

2408
01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:22,500
little annoyed about that yeah come in

2409
01:38:25,790 --> 01:38:24,360
and see all right I'm gonna go check

2410
01:38:27,890 --> 01:38:25,800
this out here we're gonna go read this

2411
01:38:29,689 --> 01:38:27,900
together man yeah let's do this in real

2412
01:38:32,450 --> 01:38:29,699
time

2413
01:38:34,010 --> 01:38:32,460
six cows in Texas found dead and

2414
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:34,020
mutilated with their tongues cut out

2415
01:38:39,050 --> 01:38:36,719
have left police searching for answers

2416
01:38:41,149 --> 01:38:39,060
and of course I didn't know why it was

2417
01:38:42,350 --> 01:38:41,159
on Shakespeare's birthday April 23rd I'm

2418
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:42,360
not going to do anything on that I'm

2419
01:38:45,970 --> 01:38:44,239
you're not married

2420
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:45,980
Shakespeare

2421
01:38:51,229 --> 01:38:48,540
you were in Ashland Oregon at the

2422
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:51,239
Shakespeare Festival I knew that

2423
01:38:56,330 --> 01:38:52,639
um

2424
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:56,340
and mutilated along State Highway in

2425
01:38:59,810 --> 01:38:58,080
East Central Texas with their tongues

2426
01:39:02,870 --> 01:38:59,820
completely removed have prompted an

2427
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:02,880
investigation by County Sheriff's Office

2428
01:39:08,090 --> 01:39:04,320
um now

2429
01:39:09,010 --> 01:39:08,100
um uh I'm going to as you are looking at

2430
01:39:22,129 --> 01:39:09,020
it

2431
01:39:24,290 --> 01:39:22,139
Precision these are all drug quotes from

2432
01:39:26,209 --> 01:39:24,300
the Sheriff's Office had been made to

2433
01:39:29,629 --> 01:39:26,219
remove the hide around the cow's mouth

2434
01:39:32,090 --> 01:39:29,639
on one side while looking into the dev

2435
01:39:34,930 --> 01:39:32,100
the investigators learned that five

2436
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:34,940
other cows were found in the similar

2437
01:39:40,669 --> 01:39:38,400
a brutal fashion condition each cow was

2438
01:39:42,410 --> 01:39:40,679
from a different pasture and heard and

2439
01:39:44,030 --> 01:39:42,420
was found at different locations along

2440
01:39:47,149 --> 01:39:44,040
the area of the state highway near

2441
01:39:49,070 --> 01:39:47,159
Brazos and Robertson counties on two of

2442
01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:49,080
the cows the circular cut had also been

2443
01:39:54,649 --> 01:39:52,020
removed removing the anus and the

2444
01:39:57,110 --> 01:39:54,659
external genitalia the circular cut was

2445
01:39:59,930 --> 01:39:57,120
made with the same precision as the cuts

2446
01:40:03,050 --> 01:39:59,940
noted around the jaw lines of each cow

2447
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:03,060
there were no signs of struggle no signs

2448
01:40:08,990 --> 01:40:05,520
of blood spill and no Footprints or tire

2449
01:40:11,810 --> 01:40:09,000
tracks in the area around any of the

2450
01:40:14,209 --> 01:40:11,820
cows wow you know that's interesting

2451
01:40:15,649 --> 01:40:14,219
yeah yeah very very interesting because

2452
01:40:17,629 --> 01:40:15,659
I was going to say you know just because

2453
01:40:20,750 --> 01:40:17,639
it's a mutilation doesn't necessarily

2454
01:40:22,729 --> 01:40:20,760
connect it to the UFO subject but we do

2455
01:40:23,870 --> 01:40:22,739
have a bit of a mystery here I don't I

2456
01:40:26,570 --> 01:40:23,880
don't know what else to say about it

2457
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:26,580
it's interesting for sure it's just a

2458
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,239
timing I I agree with you why now

2459
01:40:34,910 --> 01:40:32,639
um uh is there

2460
01:40:37,310 --> 01:40:34,920
um is there a connection to ET of course

2461
01:40:39,229 --> 01:40:37,320
you know uh with uh Linda's excellent

2462
01:40:41,209 --> 01:40:39,239
research over the last four decades and

2463
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:41,219
into the subject

2464
01:40:46,370 --> 01:40:42,960
um you have to have you know ask that

2465
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:46,380
question but here we are in this era of

2466
01:40:50,689 --> 01:40:48,480
uh you know the Nimitz and and

2467
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:50,699
everything else and Jilla brand and

2468
01:40:54,830 --> 01:40:53,520
hearings and and the media and you just

2469
01:40:57,229 --> 01:40:54,840
brought up Tucker Carl with everything

2470
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:57,239
else is going suddenly we have an

2471
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:00,719
article like this in the media and the

2472
01:41:06,530 --> 01:41:03,440
timing is suspect

2473
01:41:08,570 --> 01:41:06,540
I don't know what to think about this

2474
01:41:10,669 --> 01:41:08,580
I don't know why the article has

2475
01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:10,679
appeared when it did

2476
01:41:14,930 --> 01:41:12,780
it is I mean it's a spectacular kind of

2477
01:41:17,209 --> 01:41:14,940
a case I mean let's just let's put it in

2478
01:41:19,850 --> 01:41:17,219
perspective I mean there's a lot of

2479
01:41:21,890 --> 01:41:19,860
Mutilation cases but to find six so they

2480
01:41:24,590 --> 01:41:21,900
were found all around the same time in

2481
01:41:26,209 --> 01:41:24,600
different on different properties yep

2482
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:26,219
different properties along the same

2483
01:41:29,629 --> 01:41:28,080
Highway they were found at the same time

2484
01:41:31,010 --> 01:41:29,639
along the same so that yeah that's kind

2485
01:41:33,709 --> 01:41:31,020
of a spectacular

2486
01:41:36,590 --> 01:41:33,719
event even for a mutilation yeah it is

2487
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:36,600
it is and then and then this comment

2488
01:41:42,050 --> 01:41:39,480
here which I found very interesting the

2489
01:41:45,169 --> 01:41:42,060
Sheriff's Office says it is coordinating

2490
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:45,179
with other law enforcement agencies for

2491
01:41:52,669 --> 01:41:48,960
information noting multiple similar

2492
01:41:54,410 --> 01:41:52,679
incidents in the United States

2493
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,420
yeah now that makes a lot of sense

2494
01:41:58,609 --> 01:41:56,400
because I said this stuff always goes on

2495
01:42:01,970 --> 01:41:58,619
there there do seem to be periods where

2496
01:42:03,770 --> 01:42:01,980
you get waves of intense reporting on it

2497
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:03,780
but there hasn't been a lot of reporting

2498
01:42:08,090 --> 01:42:06,000
on mutilations for a while and in this

2499
01:42:10,370 --> 01:42:08,100
country in fact not in a long time

2500
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:10,380
the last wave of emulations that I'm

2501
01:42:14,750 --> 01:42:13,080
aware of that got a lot of publicity

2502
01:42:17,450 --> 01:42:14,760
uh I could be wrong but I think it was

2503
01:42:19,790 --> 01:42:17,460
about 20 years ago in Argentina they had

2504
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:19,800
a very big wave of mutilations that went

2505
01:42:25,370 --> 01:42:22,260
on in conjunction with some intense UFO

2506
01:42:29,570 --> 01:42:25,380
sightings and I think around 2001 2002

2507
01:42:33,050 --> 01:42:29,580
2003 it was big it was big there but I

2508
01:42:36,530 --> 01:42:33,060
I'm not aware of like a lot of publicity

2509
01:42:38,510 --> 01:42:36,540
on mutilation cases since then

2510
01:42:39,950 --> 01:42:38,520
maybe I'm missing something but I I

2511
01:42:40,970 --> 01:42:39,960
don't know I don't I'm it's not

2512
01:42:42,590 --> 01:42:40,980
something that really seems to have

2513
01:42:44,830 --> 01:42:42,600
gotten a lot of publicity at least in

2514
01:42:48,410 --> 01:42:44,840
the U.S right are you aware

2515
01:42:51,050 --> 01:42:48,420
well okay so there is you there are some

2516
01:42:53,570 --> 01:42:51,060
follow-up articles and uh the

2517
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:53,580
investigation continues

2518
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:54,719
um you're talking about the current one

2519
01:43:01,010 --> 01:42:57,840
this is current one I'm asking you like

2520
01:43:02,689 --> 01:43:01,020
are you aware of prior to this case no

2521
01:43:04,250 --> 01:43:02,699
were there was there much reporting on

2522
01:43:06,890 --> 01:43:04,260
mutilations for decades I don't think

2523
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:06,900
that there was no and I have as you know

2524
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:09,119
I have Linda on the show at least once a

2525
01:43:13,310 --> 01:43:11,280
month they still happen yeah but I don't

2526
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:13,320
think there's reporting on it not like

2527
01:43:19,010 --> 01:43:15,840
this no and

2528
01:43:22,609 --> 01:43:19,020
um and here's here's another if you look

2529
01:43:25,550 --> 01:43:22,619
at this article and it it's it's all of

2530
01:43:27,169 --> 01:43:25,560
The Sensational things that Linda has

2531
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:27,179
brought you know brought up and brought

2532
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,040
to our attention over the years where

2533
01:43:35,149 --> 01:43:31,440
it's like you know this is this is crazy

2534
01:43:36,649 --> 01:43:35,159
well check this out Richard the cause of

2535
01:43:39,850 --> 01:43:36,659
death I'm quoting

2536
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:39,860
the cause of death of all six cows

2537
01:43:47,149 --> 01:43:43,199
remains unknown

2538
01:43:48,590 --> 01:43:47,159
are these are these long-horned okay so

2539
01:43:50,570 --> 01:43:48,600
you have a comment I'm looking at the

2540
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,580
comments I'm going to give her name Jane

2541
01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:52,639
Beady well done James this is Jimmy

2542
01:43:57,709 --> 01:43:56,280
Longhorn cross cattle are huge cattle

2543
01:43:59,870 --> 01:43:57,719
wow

2544
01:44:00,530 --> 01:43:59,880
so these are these are large these

2545
01:44:03,530 --> 01:44:00,540
aren't

2546
01:44:07,250 --> 01:44:03,540
these are Big these are beautiful and uh

2547
01:44:09,169 --> 01:44:07,260
I'm glad that Richard pays attention to

2548
01:44:10,510 --> 01:44:09,179
the chat room well I'm not hosting so

2549
01:44:12,649 --> 01:44:10,520
like I can

2550
01:44:14,330 --> 01:44:12,659
I don't have to pay attention to you I'm

2551
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:14,340
I'm reading the people like these you

2552
01:44:17,570 --> 01:44:16,080
got these are good people here yeah yeah

2553
01:44:20,689 --> 01:44:17,580
when I'm hosting I don't I don't ever

2554
01:44:23,629 --> 01:44:20,699
look at the chat I can't yeah I can't do

2555
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:23,639
it it's too but here I'm like I'm I'm

2556
01:44:26,930 --> 01:44:25,199
hanging out I'm chilling with the people

2557
01:44:32,090 --> 01:44:26,940
here the

2558
01:44:35,390 --> 01:44:32,100
um uh I have I have often thought of of

2559
01:44:38,270 --> 01:44:35,400
you know listening and reading uh and

2560
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:38,280
watching Linda's stuff over the years

2561
01:44:43,729 --> 01:44:41,520
um I I always look at this the cataly

2562
01:44:47,570 --> 01:44:43,739
cattle mutilation uh situation

2563
01:44:49,310 --> 01:44:47,580
phenomenon uh two ways and I don't think

2564
01:44:52,910 --> 01:44:49,320
that there's any gray area in the middle

2565
01:44:56,090 --> 01:44:52,920
I think absolutely anything is possible

2566
01:44:58,129 --> 01:44:56,100
and E.T is here and they're checking out

2567
01:44:59,810 --> 01:44:58,139
our stuff and and that's what that's

2568
01:45:01,729 --> 01:44:59,820
what we do when we go into the Amazon

2569
01:45:03,350 --> 01:45:01,739
rainforest and pluck something out of

2570
01:45:06,530 --> 01:45:03,360
the tree you know we're gonna take it

2571
01:45:07,729 --> 01:45:06,540
back and cut it apart in a laboratory in

2572
01:45:10,970 --> 01:45:07,739
somewhere in the United States that's

2573
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:10,980
what we do everybody dissected a frog in

2574
01:45:17,689 --> 01:45:13,679
Biology class all right so I get that

2575
01:45:19,250 --> 01:45:17,699
part but the other side says to me that

2576
01:45:22,250 --> 01:45:19,260
maybe

2577
01:45:24,890 --> 01:45:22,260
it's government research you know is it

2578
01:45:27,410 --> 01:45:24,900
nuclear testing in the area is there

2579
01:45:31,490 --> 01:45:27,420
food additive you know is there a reason

2580
01:45:34,129 --> 01:45:31,500
to pick up a cow go and and and check

2581
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:34,139
out the tissue because the tongue is

2582
01:45:39,229 --> 01:45:36,000
always eating stuff off of the ground

2583
01:45:41,450 --> 01:45:39,239
right here's my problem with that theory

2584
01:45:44,810 --> 01:45:41,460
because if it's Government research if

2585
01:45:47,450 --> 01:45:44,820
it's legitimate government research

2586
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:47,460
how difficult is it to approach a

2587
01:45:52,910 --> 01:45:49,920
Rancher and say hey can I buy X number

2588
01:45:54,590 --> 01:45:52,920
of your cattle Bingo no what they do is

2589
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:54,600
they basically engage in this act of

2590
01:45:57,410 --> 01:45:55,679
terrorism

2591
01:46:00,410 --> 01:45:57,420
and they take these kind of languages to

2592
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:00,420
kill them I remember back in 2006 I

2593
01:46:05,450 --> 01:46:03,360
talked to Gabe Valdez he's long gone now

2594
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:05,460
Gabe Valdez was a New Mexico state

2595
01:46:10,510 --> 01:46:08,400
trooper he was he was the guy in New

2596
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:10,520
Mexico for years on cattle mutilations

2597
01:46:15,410 --> 01:46:13,199
he was like any time this happened you

2598
01:46:17,930 --> 01:46:15,420
go to Gabe and

2599
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:17,940
uh also with UFOs he was very very

2600
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:19,920
involved in that but he definitely was

2601
01:46:25,669 --> 01:46:23,040
on top of cattle mutilations and um I

2602
01:46:27,169 --> 01:46:25,679
met I met him for some TV thing in 2006

2603
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:27,179
and I remember talking with him

2604
01:46:31,790 --> 01:46:28,320
privately

2605
01:46:34,490 --> 01:46:31,800
and I and we were at we were actually at

2606
01:46:36,649 --> 01:46:34,500
the ranch of a family named the Gomez

2607
01:46:38,689 --> 01:46:36,659
family and they they were famous back in

2608
01:46:42,050 --> 01:46:38,699
the 70s they lost something like 50 head

2609
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:42,060
of cattle to to mutilations really bad

2610
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:44,400
they were wonderful I loved meeting them

2611
01:46:48,649 --> 01:46:46,320
but anyway Gabe Valdez was there and I

2612
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:48,659
talked with him off camera and I said

2613
01:46:53,629 --> 01:46:50,159
what do you what do you really think

2614
01:46:55,550 --> 01:46:53,639
this is you know and he he said I used

2615
01:46:57,530 --> 01:46:55,560
to think it was extraterrestrial

2616
01:47:01,450 --> 01:46:57,540
and I don't think that I said well what

2617
01:47:05,290 --> 01:47:01,460
is it and all he wouldn't tell me but he

2618
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:05,300
he felt this was dark

2619
01:47:09,890 --> 01:47:07,679
evil stuff and he said I'm just not

2620
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:09,900
going into it I know what it is he was

2621
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,239
adamant he knew so he was essentially

2622
01:47:15,410 --> 01:47:14,159
implying it was

2623
01:47:17,330 --> 01:47:15,420
I don't know he didn't say government

2624
01:47:20,330 --> 01:47:17,340
but it was human

2625
01:47:21,250 --> 01:47:20,340
right like Eyes Wide Shut Stanley Cooper

2626
01:47:25,550 --> 01:47:21,260
maybe maybe

2627
01:47:29,149 --> 01:47:25,560
cultivo like yeah evil like he I'll tell

2628
01:47:32,209 --> 01:47:29,159
you he felt absolutely adamant about it

2629
01:47:33,169 --> 01:47:32,219
who might argue with him I wasn't in a

2630
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:33,179
position so no I think it's

2631
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:36,000
extraterrestrial no he was

2632
01:47:40,609 --> 01:47:38,639
absolutely adamant and they were

2633
01:47:42,590 --> 01:47:40,619
scary evil

2634
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:42,600
which was really what he felt so like in

2635
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:44,880
other words for him I think he was at a

2636
01:47:48,410 --> 01:47:46,560
point where he felt there's no way I'm

2637
01:47:50,689 --> 01:47:48,420
gonna go fight these people I'm running

2638
01:47:55,729 --> 01:47:50,699
the hell away that was his attitude yeah

2639
01:47:58,609 --> 01:47:55,739
and it here's here's the thing Richard

2640
01:48:00,530 --> 01:47:58,619
these are like Jane said these things

2641
01:48:04,030 --> 01:48:00,540
are ginormous it'll be thousands of

2642
01:48:10,129 --> 01:48:04,040
pounds right I mean they're huge

2643
01:48:13,609 --> 01:48:10,139
and to not have uh any signs of struggle

2644
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:13,619
um no blood no tire tracks no Footprints

2645
01:48:19,850 --> 01:48:17,040
no other animals coming in and attacking

2646
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:19,860
you know what I mean none of that

2647
01:48:26,330 --> 01:48:22,800
um to just have them apparently fall out

2648
01:48:28,010 --> 01:48:26,340
of the sky into this spot that's where

2649
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:28,020
you've got to just step back and scratch

2650
01:48:32,030 --> 01:48:30,000
your head because if you've got to look

2651
01:48:33,890 --> 01:48:32,040
for ligature marks on any of these

2652
01:48:36,290 --> 01:48:33,900
creatures sometimes that has been

2653
01:48:38,510 --> 01:48:36,300
alleged look at you like as a rope you

2654
01:48:39,410 --> 01:48:38,520
know like left uh tied up and then let

2655
01:48:42,169 --> 01:48:39,420
down

2656
01:48:44,030 --> 01:48:42,179
I remember years ago I chatted with uh I

2657
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:44,040
think Greg Bishop because he he did some

2658
01:48:48,530 --> 01:48:45,840
stuff on this great Greg's a great guy

2659
01:48:50,930 --> 01:48:48,540
and uh he

2660
01:48:52,729 --> 01:48:50,940
I don't know if I agreed with him on on

2661
01:48:55,850 --> 01:48:52,739
some of his research here but I respect

2662
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:55,860
where he's coming from but he stated

2663
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:57,600
that you know he knew that in a number

2664
01:49:01,129 --> 01:48:59,040
of these mutilation cases they were

2665
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:01,139
definite ligature marks on the on the

2666
01:49:05,810 --> 01:49:03,600
cattle so as if they were being left uh

2667
01:49:08,810 --> 01:49:05,820
laid um

2668
01:49:10,129 --> 01:49:08,820
rested on by from a helicopter you know

2669
01:49:12,109 --> 01:49:10,139
hanging on a rope from a helicopter and

2670
01:49:13,609 --> 01:49:12,119
then just let down or lift it up or

2671
01:49:15,709 --> 01:49:13,619
something like that that was the

2672
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:15,719
implication and if that's true like

2673
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:18,480
you'd want to look at that on these

2674
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,639
cattle I would think now and so the

2675
01:49:23,930 --> 01:49:22,320
ligature marks wouldn't necessarily be

2676
01:49:26,689 --> 01:49:23,940
around the neck it could be around the

2677
01:49:28,609 --> 01:49:26,699
waist underneath the you know right yeah

2678
01:49:29,570 --> 01:49:28,619
I mean I I wouldn't know what's the best

2679
01:49:32,510 --> 01:49:29,580
way to

2680
01:49:34,189 --> 01:49:32,520
look a cow to lift a cow up by rope I

2681
01:49:36,290 --> 01:49:34,199
don't know how I would want to do that I

2682
01:49:38,330 --> 01:49:36,300
probably it would probably fall and drop

2683
01:49:39,649 --> 01:49:38,340
by if I were in charge of that but

2684
01:49:41,149 --> 01:49:39,659
anyway

2685
01:49:42,830 --> 01:49:41,159
people who understand these things would

2686
01:49:45,530 --> 01:49:42,840
have to know where to look

2687
01:49:48,290 --> 01:49:45,540
you know that and what would you make of

2688
01:49:50,209 --> 01:49:48,300
and then we'll say good night where

2689
01:49:55,550 --> 01:49:50,219
we've you know we've gone through these

2690
01:49:57,709 --> 01:49:55,560
waves of of of sightings uh lately uh uh

2691
01:49:59,629 --> 01:49:57,719
video and imaging and and Witnesses

2692
01:50:01,250 --> 01:49:59,639
coming forward and everything else that

2693
01:50:04,609 --> 01:50:01,260
the media has been covering

2694
01:50:07,850 --> 01:50:04,619
and everything comes in waves right are

2695
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:07,860
we about to go through the summer of

2696
01:50:14,689 --> 01:50:11,280
cattle mutilations right I hope not

2697
01:50:16,669 --> 01:50:14,699
because it's just an awful thing it is

2698
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,679
um so I don't know I I really don't know

2699
01:50:21,169 --> 01:50:18,239
I do feel

2700
01:50:23,330 --> 01:50:21,179
that you know I was in um

2701
01:50:25,010 --> 01:50:23,340
one of the most exciting things in my

2702
01:50:27,950 --> 01:50:25,020
young life was when I was in Berlin when

2703
01:50:29,689 --> 01:50:27,960
the Wall came down in 1989. so I spent

2704
01:50:31,370 --> 01:50:29,699
uh three three and a half months I

2705
01:50:33,410 --> 01:50:31,380
actually arrived

2706
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:33,420
four days after the wall was breached I

2707
01:50:37,490 --> 01:50:35,760
got there on November 13th damn it I

2708
01:50:39,770 --> 01:50:37,500
knew it was going to happen too but so I

2709
01:50:41,629 --> 01:50:39,780
was there all during that time and that

2710
01:50:43,850 --> 01:50:41,639
was the period when

2711
01:50:46,430 --> 01:50:43,860
all the Eastern Bloc countries were

2712
01:50:48,410 --> 01:50:46,440
crumbling and collapsing and the last

2713
01:50:50,990 --> 01:50:48,420
holdout was Romania

2714
01:50:53,810 --> 01:50:51,000
and and they got Nicolette chachesco and

2715
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:53,820
his evil wife Elena uh in December of

2716
01:50:59,570 --> 01:50:56,639
1989. I remember this very well and um

2717
01:51:01,310 --> 01:50:59,580
there was a political cartoon

2718
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:01,320
just before all of that happened in

2719
01:51:04,609 --> 01:51:02,639
Romania

2720
01:51:07,129 --> 01:51:04,619
and all the Eastern European countries

2721
01:51:10,250 --> 01:51:07,139
you know they're celebrating freedom and

2722
01:51:12,970 --> 01:51:10,260
all of that the political cartoon was

2723
01:51:15,290 --> 01:51:12,980
this guy sitting in a chair

2724
01:51:17,570 --> 01:51:15,300
blindfolded and bound to the chair and

2725
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:17,580
that was that was Romania

2726
01:51:22,850 --> 01:51:20,159
and all around was all of this

2727
01:51:26,030 --> 01:51:22,860
celebration going on but this one guy

2728
01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:26,040
was bound blindfolded and his ears

2729
01:51:30,649 --> 01:51:27,960
stuffed up and a chair and was unable to

2730
01:51:34,430 --> 01:51:30,659
to know what was happening that is us

2731
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:34,440
we are that guy in the chair

2732
01:51:43,090 --> 01:51:38,880
we have a phenomenon that is going on

2733
01:51:45,310 --> 01:51:43,100
all the time it is important it involves

2734
01:51:48,410 --> 01:51:45,320
highly advanced

2735
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:48,420
Ultra advanced technology and science

2736
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:50,880
and beings

2737
01:51:57,950 --> 01:51:54,239
they are doing something it is important

2738
01:52:00,770 --> 01:51:57,960
it involves them expending many

2739
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:00,780
resources for something that is a

2740
01:52:04,850 --> 01:52:02,760
long-term project

2741
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:04,860
by which they are engaged in doing

2742
01:52:12,350 --> 01:52:07,679
something at a time when this world is

2743
01:52:15,950 --> 01:52:12,360
going through a Civilization Revolution

2744
01:52:18,109 --> 01:52:15,960
and you know we've got to be asking

2745
01:52:20,030 --> 01:52:18,119
these are two really important things is

2746
01:52:22,430 --> 01:52:20,040
there a relationship

2747
01:52:24,890 --> 01:52:22,440
and yet here we have

2748
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:24,900
this media which is worse than

2749
01:52:28,910 --> 01:52:26,880
sycophantic look people are better off

2750
01:52:30,290 --> 01:52:28,920
following the NFL and trying to follow

2751
01:52:31,970 --> 01:52:30,300
the news if you're just going to get

2752
01:52:33,590 --> 01:52:31,980
Western news and be propaganda let's

2753
01:52:35,390 --> 01:52:33,600
just go follow the football scores

2754
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:35,400
you'll be better off at least you won't

2755
01:52:39,229 --> 01:52:37,199
be lying to yourself about being

2756
01:52:42,590 --> 01:52:39,239
informed so where

2757
01:52:45,050 --> 01:52:42,600
absolutely blind to what is happening in

2758
01:52:47,209 --> 01:52:45,060
this world the important things and we

2759
01:52:48,830 --> 01:52:47,219
got this Arrow hearing which was

2760
01:52:52,010 --> 01:52:48,840
basically

2761
01:52:53,570 --> 01:52:52,020
a complete waste of time on that basis

2762
01:52:55,609 --> 01:52:53,580
in terms of informing the public about

2763
01:52:58,490 --> 01:52:55,619
anything that matters

2764
01:53:01,970 --> 01:52:58,500
and you know I mean how much longer are

2765
01:53:03,530 --> 01:53:01,980
we going to have before our world goes

2766
01:53:05,570 --> 01:53:03,540
through such a fundamental change that

2767
01:53:07,550 --> 01:53:05,580
maybe none of this is going to matter

2768
01:53:09,410 --> 01:53:07,560
like I really wonder this

2769
01:53:11,090 --> 01:53:09,420
we just think oh yeah it's tomorrow's

2770
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:11,100
going to be like today because today was

2771
01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:12,480
a little bit like yesterday well you

2772
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:14,639
know what at some point things are going

2773
01:53:18,649 --> 01:53:16,320
to change enough that we're going to be

2774
01:53:21,590 --> 01:53:18,659
in something very different

2775
01:53:23,450 --> 01:53:21,600
and and maybe not very good

2776
01:53:26,030 --> 01:53:23,460
so

2777
01:53:28,010 --> 01:53:26,040
I don't know how much time we're going

2778
01:53:29,450 --> 01:53:28,020
to have before things really change you

2779
01:53:30,649 --> 01:53:29,460
know David Jacobs no one ever wants to

2780
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:30,659
talk about Jacobs anymore it's like

2781
01:53:34,970 --> 01:53:32,400
let's pretend he never happened that's

2782
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:34,980
ufology today let's pretend David Jacobs

2783
01:53:38,270 --> 01:53:37,440
never happened and Bud Hopkins and those

2784
01:53:40,910 --> 01:53:38,280
guys

2785
01:53:42,649 --> 01:53:40,920
well Jacob's in his research his last

2786
01:53:45,229 --> 01:53:42,659
two books he was talking about something

2787
01:53:48,050 --> 01:53:45,239
that his the abductees that he regressed

2788
01:53:50,270 --> 01:53:48,060
told him about the great change

2789
01:53:51,649 --> 01:53:50,280
and David try to interpret what that is

2790
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:51,659
and I don't think he had it exactly

2791
01:53:56,750 --> 01:53:54,480
right but his research I think is

2792
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,760
valuable David believed that the great

2793
01:54:01,490 --> 01:53:59,040
change was when the aliens would

2794
01:54:03,410 --> 01:54:01,500
formally take over planetary takeover

2795
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:03,420
that was going to be the great change

2796
01:54:09,229 --> 01:54:04,800
I think

2797
01:54:11,590 --> 01:54:09,239
changes we're living in it right now

2798
01:54:14,450 --> 01:54:11,600
this is the great change like those

2799
01:54:16,729 --> 01:54:14,460
abductees that he's interviewing 25 30

2800
01:54:19,310 --> 01:54:16,739
plus years ago who are talking about a

2801
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:19,320
great change this is it man

2802
01:54:23,209 --> 01:54:21,360
this is it and

2803
01:54:25,370 --> 01:54:23,219
we really have to wonder did these

2804
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:25,380
aliens who are the the handlers who were

2805
01:54:29,330 --> 01:54:26,880
talking to these people about the great

2806
01:54:31,729 --> 01:54:29,340
change maybe they knew something did

2807
01:54:35,209 --> 01:54:31,739
they know did they know what we're going

2808
01:54:37,490 --> 01:54:35,219
through right now maybe they did

2809
01:54:40,370 --> 01:54:37,500
and if that's the case then you got to

2810
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:40,380
ask this is I know this is like Invasion

2811
01:54:44,930 --> 01:54:42,000
of the Body snatcher stuff but just bear

2812
01:54:47,330 --> 01:54:44,940
with me because it has to be asked have

2813
01:54:49,490 --> 01:54:47,340
do they have something to do with it

2814
01:54:51,649 --> 01:54:49,500
are they are they pulling strings I

2815
01:54:54,050 --> 01:54:51,659
don't really know but how many times

2816
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:54,060
have we gotten stories about human

2817
01:54:57,649 --> 01:54:56,400
looking beings who have infiltrated this

2818
01:55:00,050 --> 01:54:57,659
world

2819
01:55:03,370 --> 01:55:00,060
hell man almost every single UFO

2820
01:55:06,169 --> 01:55:03,380
researcher has got these stories

2821
01:55:07,790 --> 01:55:06,179
it's in the Bible Richard well there's

2822
01:55:09,830 --> 01:55:07,800
that but I'm talking about contemporary

2823
01:55:13,490 --> 01:55:09,840
UFO researchers I'm saying you're right

2824
01:55:16,490 --> 01:55:13,500
though uh this isn't anything new well

2825
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:16,500
no I think it actually is new I don't

2826
01:55:21,290 --> 01:55:18,480
believe I I'm actually I've become very

2827
01:55:23,090 --> 01:55:21,300
skeptical over a lot of the so-called

2828
01:55:24,770 --> 01:55:23,100
Ancient Aliens Theory we should talk

2829
01:55:27,649 --> 01:55:24,780
about this sometime I think it's been

2830
01:55:28,790 --> 01:55:27,659
way overstated way way overstated I'm

2831
01:55:31,129 --> 01:55:28,800
not saying there's no such thing as

2832
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:31,139
Ancient Aliens but I think most of what

2833
01:55:36,770 --> 01:55:33,840
we find as evidence for that is nonsense

2834
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:36,780
and but one thing I've been trying to do

2835
01:55:41,689 --> 01:55:39,119
I know I'm out of time here in my

2836
01:55:44,450 --> 01:55:41,699
current research I am trying to figure

2837
01:55:46,370 --> 01:55:44,460
out when I believe this phenomenon hit

2838
01:55:48,410 --> 01:55:46,380
us in a big way and I'm starting to

2839
01:55:50,510 --> 01:55:48,420
think it was in the 19th century some in

2840
01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:50,520
the 18th century and there was there's

2841
01:55:54,350 --> 01:55:52,320
always been a presence

2842
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:54,360
but there's been a qualitative

2843
01:55:59,870 --> 01:55:57,119
difference between the long-standing

2844
01:56:02,030 --> 01:55:59,880
kind of low-level observation in my

2845
01:56:03,770 --> 01:56:02,040
opinion this is just me and what we are

2846
01:56:06,649 --> 01:56:03,780
now dealing with which is like

2847
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:06,659
full-scale freaking invasion

2848
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:09,360
because we're starting to see you know

2849
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:12,000
I'm looking for for reports of actual

2850
01:56:15,410 --> 01:56:14,280
things that are craft not just lights

2851
01:56:17,629 --> 01:56:15,420
not just

2852
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:17,639
but like actual craft and I think I

2853
01:56:21,169 --> 01:56:19,679
think we're talking maybe late 18th

2854
01:56:24,350 --> 01:56:21,179
century but definitely by the 19th

2855
01:56:26,990 --> 01:56:24,360
century uh and we're just seeing it's a

2856
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,000
lot now so I think there's something new

2857
01:56:32,330 --> 01:56:29,520
that's happening and it's very big and

2858
01:56:34,250 --> 01:56:32,340
like we're not no it's even UFO

2859
01:56:36,890 --> 01:56:34,260
Community folks are really not

2860
01:56:38,450 --> 01:56:36,900
discussing this and I think we really

2861
01:56:40,010 --> 01:56:38,460
need to start

2862
01:56:41,810 --> 01:56:40,020
looking at the seven this is one reason

2863
01:56:44,090 --> 01:56:41,820
I'm working on my current research I'm

2864
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:44,100
doing a book on Usos and it's going very

2865
01:56:47,689 --> 01:56:46,320
well it's very big and fat already and

2866
01:56:49,370 --> 01:56:47,699
it's going to be bigger and fatter when

2867
01:56:51,950 --> 01:56:49,380
I'm done and I think it will be done

2868
01:56:53,629 --> 01:56:51,960
this year and I I just hope that it will

2869
01:56:55,790 --> 01:56:53,639
be a contribution to this conversation

2870
01:56:57,229 --> 01:56:55,800
because we need to get some data out in

2871
01:57:01,490 --> 01:56:57,239
front of the world

2872
01:57:05,330 --> 01:57:01,500
well do you think that's because uh we

2873
01:57:07,790 --> 01:57:05,340
now have a better capacity of

2874
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:07,800
understanding right that that you know

2875
01:57:13,490 --> 01:57:10,800
we we we're not smart enough to

2876
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:13,500
understand everything but where we were

2877
01:57:18,290 --> 01:57:15,599
a hundred years ago or a thousand years

2878
01:57:20,149 --> 01:57:18,300
ago we have a much better yes it's much

2879
01:57:22,010 --> 01:57:20,159
better to understand and and much better

2880
01:57:24,050 --> 01:57:22,020
at detection also you know we've got

2881
01:57:25,790 --> 01:57:24,060
electronic means we've got we're up in

2882
01:57:28,010 --> 01:57:25,800
the air ourselves so yeah we're much

2883
01:57:29,629 --> 01:57:28,020
better able we're way vastly more

2884
01:57:33,050 --> 01:57:29,639
sophisticated with this now than we were

2885
01:57:35,390 --> 01:57:33,060
in the past no question about it no

2886
01:57:37,490 --> 01:57:35,400
what's the book coming out how far along

2887
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:37,500
are you well I've got almost 300 Pages

2888
01:57:40,790 --> 01:57:39,119
done right now it's kind of a big it's a

2889
01:57:43,310 --> 01:57:40,800
good book but I've got a long long way

2890
01:57:44,570 --> 01:57:43,320
to go it's I have a lot more to go this

2891
01:57:47,089 --> 01:57:44,580
is this is becoming a bigger project

2892
01:57:49,570 --> 01:57:47,099
than I thought but I I do it every day I

2893
01:57:51,550 --> 01:57:49,580
actually love this project

2894
01:57:53,570 --> 01:57:51,560
engage

2895
01:57:55,930 --> 01:57:53,580
what do you think you're doing writing

2896
01:57:59,030 --> 01:57:55,940
War and Peace

2897
01:58:01,609 --> 01:57:59,040
I know I know well I just I'm finding

2898
01:58:03,229 --> 01:58:01,619
there's a lot of data once I got into it

2899
01:58:05,209 --> 01:58:03,239
I'm finding much more data than I

2900
01:58:07,370 --> 01:58:05,219
realized and I just I have to go through

2901
01:58:09,950 --> 01:58:07,380
it and and every time I come up with it

2902
01:58:12,890 --> 01:58:09,960
I have it has to be my own analysis my

2903
01:58:14,390 --> 01:58:12,900
own I gotta do my own thing on it so it

2904
01:58:17,450 --> 01:58:14,400
takes a little bit of time but I have

2905
01:58:19,310 --> 01:58:17,460
close to 300 Pages done right now it's

2906
01:58:20,750 --> 01:58:19,320
going to be Illustrated it's going to be

2907
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:20,760
a cool book I I think it's going to be

2908
01:58:26,209 --> 01:58:23,520
an interesting and

2909
01:58:27,169 --> 01:58:26,219
for me I want it to be a really useful

2910
01:58:31,310 --> 01:58:27,179
book

2911
01:58:33,770 --> 01:58:31,320
and and because we're not we are losing

2912
01:58:36,109 --> 01:58:33,780
the thread here as a community we are

2913
01:58:38,330 --> 01:58:36,119
losing this area we get worked up with

2914
01:58:39,890 --> 01:58:38,340
you know personalities and arguments and

2915
01:58:42,830 --> 01:58:39,900
these little things but like the big

2916
01:58:44,750 --> 01:58:42,840
picture just seems to elude most of us

2917
01:58:46,850 --> 01:58:44,760
most of the time and I I don't want that

2918
01:58:49,250 --> 01:58:46,860
to happen so I want to bring us back

2919
01:58:51,229 --> 01:58:49,260
stick to the main line get on the main

2920
01:58:52,729 --> 01:58:51,239
evidence and

2921
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:52,739
and I think we're much better off of

2922
01:58:58,729 --> 01:58:54,960
that man I'm really looking forward to

2923
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:58,739
this uh seriously thank you so much give

2924
01:59:02,109 --> 01:59:00,480
my best to Tracy you know I will she

2925
01:59:04,850 --> 01:59:02,119
gives her best to you

2926
01:59:08,570 --> 01:59:04,860
and you and I are trading emails right

2927
01:59:10,910 --> 01:59:08,580
now yes sir and and we're on we're on

2928
01:59:12,830 --> 01:59:10,920
track Richard we're on track Jimmy I I

2929
01:59:14,930 --> 01:59:12,840
enjoyed our conversation it's always a

2930
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:14,940
pleasure I mean it I enjoy it you're the

2931
01:59:18,229 --> 01:59:16,320
best you didn't ask me about music by

2932
01:59:19,790 --> 01:59:18,239
the way I was a little disappointed wait

2933
01:59:21,290 --> 01:59:19,800
a minute what was like you just like

2934
01:59:23,870 --> 01:59:21,300
you're changing our relationship here

2935
01:59:26,330 --> 01:59:23,880
yeah I actually came prepared for this

2936
01:59:28,729 --> 01:59:26,340
one that that's your fault you came late

2937
01:59:30,530 --> 01:59:28,739
to the party today okay Richard

2938
01:59:33,410 --> 01:59:30,540
what was the last

2939
01:59:35,870 --> 01:59:33,420
today

2940
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:35,880
I will tell you it was I'll tell you the

2941
01:59:39,290 --> 01:59:37,440
the group and you're gonna have to tell

2942
01:59:40,729 --> 01:59:39,300
me the album because I listened to the

2943
01:59:43,609 --> 01:59:40,739
whole album I took a little bit of a

2944
01:59:46,850 --> 01:59:43,619
midday nap because I'm old I'm tired and

2945
01:59:49,149 --> 01:59:46,860
I played an album by Pink Floyd it is

2946
01:59:53,410 --> 01:59:49,159
your job to guess which was the album

2947
01:59:53,420 --> 02:00:01,030
you're an animal's guy

2948
02:00:06,169 --> 02:00:03,290
metal in there too but I you know the

2949
02:00:08,290 --> 02:00:06,179
top four but no I love animals it's just

2950
02:00:12,649 --> 02:00:08,300
an amazing

2951
02:00:16,490 --> 02:00:12,659
every time when when the fender Rhodes

2952
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:16,500
piano comes in for the song sheep I man

2953
02:00:21,530 --> 02:00:19,679
I am just I go I go right there man I am

2954
02:00:23,570 --> 02:00:21,540
you should listen to that it's

2955
02:00:25,250 --> 02:00:23,580
you know I mean the you're a guitar guy

2956
02:00:27,410 --> 02:00:25,260
and David Gilmore is incredible in that

2957
02:00:29,390 --> 02:00:27,420
whole life of course but when you listen

2958
02:00:31,250 --> 02:00:29,400
to what Roger Waters is singing it's

2959
02:00:33,709 --> 02:00:31,260
easy to miss it so you got to like get

2960
02:00:36,649 --> 02:00:33,719
the lyrics there and uh the writing is

2961
02:00:38,450 --> 02:00:36,659
superb and everything about this

2962
02:00:40,430 --> 02:00:38,460
I don't know if it's their best but it

2963
02:00:42,410 --> 02:00:40,440
might be my favorite no you're right

2964
02:00:44,990 --> 02:00:42,420
about that and you know there were there

2965
02:00:47,209 --> 02:00:45,000
were things animals to me was one of

2966
02:00:50,209 --> 02:00:47,219
their more intelligent all of their

2967
02:00:53,169 --> 02:00:50,219
albums are intelligent but animals came

2968
02:00:55,790 --> 02:00:53,179
from another perspective and it's a very

2969
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:55,800
intellectual album no he's doing George

2970
02:01:03,010 --> 02:00:59,520
Orwell's animal farm and and he wrote it

2971
02:01:05,390 --> 02:01:03,020
out really well

2972
02:01:08,629 --> 02:01:05,400
it's one of my favorite albums of all

2973
02:01:10,790 --> 02:01:08,639
time I'm very gratified and pleased that

2974
02:01:12,770 --> 02:01:10,800
you guessed correctly I'm I'm totally

2975
02:01:15,649 --> 02:01:12,780
impressed you know what I listened to

2976
02:01:18,290 --> 02:01:15,659
today and everybody's gonna laugh uh I'm

2977
02:01:20,570 --> 02:01:18,300
really late to the party on this one

2978
02:01:22,790 --> 02:01:20,580
Ellie Goulding

2979
02:01:25,129 --> 02:01:22,800
now I want you to go I'm even later than

2980
02:01:27,169 --> 02:01:25,139
you I I haven't yeah yeah so just go

2981
02:01:29,510 --> 02:01:27,179
ahead just go who who is she Jimmy

2982
02:01:31,010 --> 02:01:29,520
because I know that's coming so I know

2983
02:01:32,510 --> 02:01:31,020
it's a woman because you just told me so

2984
02:01:35,689 --> 02:01:32,520
that's right that's good I'm learning

2985
02:01:37,430 --> 02:01:35,699
she's she's from the UK uh she's British

2986
02:01:39,649 --> 02:01:37,440
singer

2987
02:01:42,189 --> 02:01:39,659
um one of the biggest selling artists of

2988
02:01:45,169 --> 02:01:42,199
of this decade who I had never heard of

2989
02:01:48,770 --> 02:01:45,179
and I think her first album came out in

2990
02:01:51,729 --> 02:01:48,780
like 2011. I huge sales and numbers and

2991
02:01:53,890 --> 02:01:51,739
everything I I I I've never heard of her

2992
02:01:56,410 --> 02:01:53,900
I found her

2993
02:02:00,669 --> 02:01:56,420
on

2994
02:02:05,030 --> 02:02:00,679
whatever you know uh what do you call it

2995
02:02:08,270 --> 02:02:05,040
on a computer the internet it was a t it

2996
02:02:10,189 --> 02:02:08,280
was a TV and but anyways bro it's her

2997
02:02:11,149 --> 02:02:10,199
concert's playing in the background as

2998
02:02:17,030 --> 02:02:11,159
I'm

2999
02:02:19,310 --> 02:02:17,040
sounds like that's a pretty good singer

3000
02:02:22,370 --> 02:02:19,320
so I click and she's slowly check it out

3001
02:02:24,229 --> 02:02:22,380
she's singing in this Arboretum uh with

3002
02:02:26,390 --> 02:02:24,239
her feeling like jazz you're doing like

3003
02:02:27,589 --> 02:02:26,400
rock or something new thing or what is

3004
02:02:29,410 --> 02:02:27,599
it what are we talking about here I'm

3005
02:02:32,629 --> 02:02:29,420
gonna call it

3006
02:02:34,089 --> 02:02:32,639
synth folk music

3007
02:02:37,270 --> 02:02:34,099
yeah yeah

3008
02:02:41,030 --> 02:02:37,280
there was music beyond the 70s

3009
02:02:44,209 --> 02:02:41,040
truly noted man and I'm telling you I

3010
02:02:47,570 --> 02:02:44,219
and so I'm getting sucked into this and

3011
02:02:49,550 --> 02:02:47,580
I'm like who is this person singing in

3012
02:02:51,589 --> 02:02:49,560
this Arboretum with this amazing band

3013
02:02:55,070 --> 02:02:51,599
and it's live and her voice and it's

3014
02:02:57,350 --> 02:02:55,080
real right it's not and so I do a

3015
02:02:58,370 --> 02:02:57,360
certain I'm like what rock have I been

3016
02:03:01,370 --> 02:02:58,380
under

3017
02:03:03,530 --> 02:03:01,380
what do you mean you know I remember the

3018
02:03:06,050 --> 02:03:03,540
first time years ago when I heard Amy

3019
02:03:07,790 --> 02:03:06,060
Winehouse yeah and it was the this is

3020
02:03:09,790 --> 02:03:07,800
like you know 20 plus whatever years ago

3021
02:03:12,530 --> 02:03:09,800
and it was the first time I felt old

3022
02:03:14,510 --> 02:03:12,540
listening I was like holy crap like

3023
02:03:15,290 --> 02:03:14,520
she's so good and she was amazing of

3024
02:03:17,750 --> 02:03:15,300
course

3025
02:03:20,089 --> 02:03:17,760
and I I realized at that moment like

3026
02:03:22,189 --> 02:03:20,099
this what at the time this was the new

3027
02:03:24,649 --> 02:03:22,199
generation like they were Way Beyond me

3028
02:03:26,990 --> 02:03:24,659
like she just had a musical sensibility

3029
02:03:28,729 --> 02:03:27,000
that just blew my mind but I'll check

3030
02:03:31,850 --> 02:03:28,739
out Ellie Goulding I'm sure she's great

3031
02:03:34,609 --> 02:03:31,860
she's yeah just check out the Arboretum

3032
02:03:36,589 --> 02:03:34,619
right the live concert I I can't speak

3033
02:03:39,890 --> 02:03:36,599
for her old stuff I I don't know what

3034
02:03:42,950 --> 02:03:39,900
she was like 10 years ago but this

3035
02:03:46,370 --> 02:03:42,960
concert this thing in the Arboretum

3036
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:46,380
watch that man she's good man she's

3037
02:03:49,970 --> 02:03:48,000
right I mean as long as she's not like

3038
02:03:52,310 --> 02:03:49,980
trying to scream her lungs out like a

3039
02:03:55,270 --> 02:03:52,320
lot of singers these days like it's like

3040
02:03:57,530 --> 02:03:55,280
it's like

3041
02:03:59,510 --> 02:03:57,540
oh yeah right you said the folk part

3042
02:04:03,109 --> 02:03:59,520
yeah yeah yeah it makes sense so like

3043
02:04:08,649 --> 02:04:03,119
it's hard James Taylor combined with uh

3044
02:04:11,510 --> 02:04:08,659
uh Electric Light Orchestra I don't know

3045
02:04:15,350 --> 02:04:11,520
you have to it's very original she's

3046
02:04:17,990 --> 02:04:15,360
very very cool her vocal control

3047
02:04:20,089 --> 02:04:18,000
um she's very smooth man very I believe

3048
02:04:23,930 --> 02:04:20,099
I'm already a fan see now I I think

3049
02:04:26,689 --> 02:04:23,940
she's awesome so she's amazing man I I I

3050
02:04:28,910 --> 02:04:26,699
I already know the the blowback I'm

3051
02:04:30,350 --> 02:04:28,920
gonna get from this I don't care all

3052
02:04:32,030 --> 02:04:30,360
right so do you do you think I actually

3053
02:04:33,950 --> 02:04:32,040
will like her or do you think I know you

3054
02:04:35,089 --> 02:04:33,960
will I know you will I know sometimes

3055
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:35,099
you're not always right about these

3056
02:04:44,810 --> 02:04:43,310
if I don't like her music you're the

3057
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,820
first person I'm going to complain to I

3058
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:46,560
have an old typewriter and I'm going to

3059
02:04:50,930 --> 02:04:48,480
type out a letter to you as a letter of

3060
02:04:54,290 --> 02:04:50,940
complaint complaining about this see

3061
02:04:57,830 --> 02:04:54,300
what's behind me don't question my

3062
02:05:01,250 --> 02:04:57,840
musical account behind you is a world

3063
02:05:02,990 --> 02:05:01,260
map there's the two there's the two

3064
02:05:04,370 --> 02:05:03,000
personalities right here I'll take I'm

3065
02:05:06,649 --> 02:05:04,380
gonna check I'm going to check into it

3066
02:05:09,050 --> 02:05:06,659
maybe not tonight it's a little late but

3067
02:05:10,910 --> 02:05:09,060
I will I'll talk to you brother have a

3068
02:05:12,830 --> 02:05:10,920
great night get my best to Tracy I will

3069
02:05:15,649 --> 02:05:12,840
it was my pleasure thank you Richard

3070
02:05:17,330 --> 02:05:15,659
bleep and Dolan and yeah we ran way over

3071
02:05:20,510 --> 02:05:17,340
tonight thank you so much Richard have a

3072
02:05:22,790 --> 02:05:20,520
good night give my best to Tracy and I

3073
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:22,800
am going to get out of here and see

3074
02:05:28,669 --> 02:05:25,440
who's on tomorrow night tomorrow night

3075
02:05:30,709 --> 02:05:28,679
is oh Steve Bassett who's got Steve

3076
02:05:32,750 --> 02:05:30,719
Bassett on the show tomorrow night so

3077
02:05:36,530 --> 02:05:32,760
I'll see everybody tomorrow Stephen

3078
02:05:38,030 --> 02:05:36,540
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02:05:40,790 --> 02:05:38,040
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02:05:51,470 --> 02:05:48,900
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